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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 25 Jul 2012 20:54 #181

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I still fail to see what the relevance of your question is in relation to my post to Ron. My point was about the futility of engaging with people who hold extreme views.

Humour me. I'm genuinely curious as to where this line of questioning leads.

Is it about the legitimacy of Israel?
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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 25 Jul 2012 20:56 #182

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Actually dogsmilk nothing could be further from the truth, and again you're basing your opinions on pure assumption. I've been using the name Darkmoon now for years an various other alternative forums, because of my interest in the occult. Lasha Darkmoon is a complete coincidence. But read into that as you will. I enjoy reading some of her controversial articles, because some of them are interesting. Not that I agree with everything she says, I very rarely find myself agreeing with another persons work or research in it's entirety. What's with all the ad-hom attacks anyway? Havn't you got anything better to do than attack and criticise other people because of their username, or any particular researcher/artist they may enjoy. What's next my avatar... why not ... lol.

Anyway I don't need to justify myself to you or anybody else, who or what I choose to read or believe is really my bussiness and nobody else's. while I'm here, and on the subject of my PC thread, you're grossly misrpresenting what it stands for. It's not about promoting hate or making hate acceptable at all, I see it as the complete opposite infact, the cultural marxists are the ones spreading hate. But I'm not going to bother going into those details because I know I'll just be wasting my time. It's too nice outside atm to get invloved in long keyboard battles that end up goi g nowhere anyway, especailly when you're dealing with unreasonable individuals, so it becomes a pointless excercise and a complete waste of everybodies time and energy. Furthemore I've also done a fairly good job of keeping that thread free from generalizations. I requested other members not to turn it into another race thread or a rant, and they respected my wishes, to their credit. Anybody who doesn't believe me and chooses to blindly follow dogsmilk's word, I suggest you go and read the thread for yourself. I could if I wish bring myself down to your level and attack you back personally. But that's not really my true nature, so I'll leave the ad-homs and condescending rhetoric all to you, and you're quite good at it arn't you. Which isn't a compliment btw.

So, how do you feel about freedom of movement?

Speak freely now...

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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 25 Jul 2012 21:00 #183

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@gue - I had no idea you were m00n5tar - I remember the day that incarnation was banned - infact I have it screenied - that was quite a bang!!
Haha really? I had no idea? I thought I'd pissed everyone off by then.
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Its quite offensive coming here calling people Nazi's...

If you have a problem with the forum please PM one of us, but you are being offensive and provocative....

this is why people get points or bans... its not necessary.
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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 25 Jul 2012 21:02 #184

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My per­sonal posi­tion is that I’m aware that lies have been told and that those lies are used as polit­i­cal devices in the same way as many other fic­tions such as 9 – 11 or WMD’s etc. All you can do on a per­sonal level is add that into the mix when draw­ing your own con­clu­sions. I’m cer­tainly not going to shy away from the topic because peo­ple with extreme views would rather the sub­ject was not dis­cussed. In fact it was read­ing the views of the peo­ple defend­ing the offi­cial story that caused me to look deeper, not the extrem­ists at the other end of the scale.

I agree entirely with the above

Having said that - why would there be a lie specifically over the number of jews killed?

If one takes the position that jews were targeted for being jewish and killed why 6 million?

If one takes the position that they were not killed but instead were forcibly rounded up en masse and housed in 'work camps' against their will - were forced to give up their homes, their possessions, their individual sovereignty by force by their government and then placed in camps where the conditions ment that death was almost inevitable including contracting and dying of typhus - is that not atrocity enough?

If one takes the position that neither of the above happened and that jews were not targeted in anyway instead were treated the same way as their 'aryan' counterparts - given the wealth of information I would have to question why someone would come to that conclusion.

So yes governments lie - yes there are some anomalies - what seems to me to be the reason for much of the holocaust revisionism is that it is a 'key' dot in the establishment of israel. It is easier to make an argument about the estalishment of israel if we can paint its inhabitants as liars manipulators greedy and undeserving of any sympathy. It is easier to argue that some jewish peoples have more in common genetically to european counterparts then those who historically inhabited israel then it is to dispute the geological heritage of the jewish peoples.

I am no fan of israels actions or racist policies - I do believe that israel is a racist state - but I do not need to revise history to reach that conclusion nor to evidence my beliefs.
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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 25 Jul 2012 21:02 #185

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dogsmilk wrote:
Frog wrote:
oioioi wrote:
Frog wrote:
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Frog wrote:
oioioi wrote:
Frog wrote:
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Now define sweeping generalisation.... :roll:

Frog, what is your point?

That is your interpretation which is a matter for you to deal with - cap 'n fit springs to mind. If you feel you fit under the generalisation of some one with extreme views that's you choice. I'm sure you would have a better idea than me about your own views and intent.

Which seems to raise the question of what's your point? Frankly I couldn't care less how you rationalise your shit.

Nice edit.

OK, 6 million Jews didn't die in WWII, now what?

In your own time....

Nothing to do with editing I quoted the element that was at issue and relevant. Now what?

You wouldn't be avoiding the obvious conclusion to this line of questioning now would you?
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What would the obvious conclusion be that you have come to? In plain concise English as opposed to insinuation.

Give a straight answer and there's no need for insinuation; 6 million Jews didn't die in WWII, now what?

I don't accept the official numbers or the official story with respect to the Holocaust event - in the same way I don't accept a the official story on range of historical events. Quite what that has to do with the comment to Ron is beyond me but hey if that give you a kick who am I to hold you back.

Just out of interest, which "official numbers" do you not accept (like all large scale killings the numbers comprise a range of estimates and refer to multiple zones from the largest death tolls at the mass killing centres to comparatively miniscule aktions that occurred in a wide variety of places. The overall estimate ranges within a margin of about a million at either end, with 5-6 million overall Jewish deaths being generally accepted) and on what basis do you not accept this? Bearing in mind that by this point IIRC around three million of them have been named in the ongoing effort to identify the dead, no mean feat considering the circumstances in which it occurred.

The "official story" is more problematic - it's very complicated and I'm not sure any "official story" exists beyond the broad course of events as to this day the details are being endlessly debated. So what "official story" do you not accept?

Maybe you should open a thread on the subject and see where it goes. As you say there are many avenues when you get in to specifics. My response was a generalised reply to a general question. A question which is totally irrelevant to the point I was making.
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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 25 Jul 2012 21:03 #186

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Darkmoon wrote:
But that's not really my true nature, so I'll leave the ad-homs and condescending rhetoric all to you, and you're quite good at it arn't you. Which isn't a compliment btw.

You don't say :coffee:
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thoreau wrote:

@gue - I had no idea you were m00n5tar - I remember the day that incarnation was banned - infact I have it screenied - that was quite a bang!!
Haha really? I had no idea? I thought I'd pissed everyone off by then.
I miss Observer 333 from Australia :(

I was Mickyjay before then, I rumbled the conspiracy in 07 :lolplac:
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I miss observer333 too - my one and only infraction was for agreeing and sticking up for her against the torrent of abuse she wa receiving - nice lady though a lot of cut and paste.
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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 25 Jul 2012 21:06 #188

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But that's not really my true nature, so I'll leave the ad-homs and condescending rhetoric all to you, and you're quite good at it arn't you. Which isn't a compliment btw.

You don't say :coffee:

darkmoon you know the quote above totally contradicts itself yeah?
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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 25 Jul 2012 21:07 #189

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But that's not really my true nature, so I'll leave the ad-homs and condescending rhetoric all to you, and you're quite good at it arn't you. Which isn't a compliment btw.

You don't say :coffee:

darkmoon you know the quote above totally contradicts itself yeah?

Happens alot in darkmoons posts from what I've encountered.
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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 25 Jul 2012 21:10 #190

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I still fail to see what the relevance of your question is in relation to my post to Ron. My point was about the futility of engaging with people who hold extreme views.

Humour me. I'm genuinely curious as to where this line of questioning leads.

Is it about the legitimacy of Israel?

Why are you associating people with extreme views with Israel at all? Extreme Christians are open to a reasoned debate how exactly? The subject has no relevance the point is the extreme mind set of people with a fixed view.
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Frog wrote:
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I still fail to see what the relevance of your question is in relation to my post to Ron. My point was about the futility of engaging with people who hold extreme views.

Humour me. I'm genuinely curious as to where this line of questioning leads.

Is it about the legitimacy of Israel?

Why are you associating people with extreme views with Israel at all? Extreme Christians are open to a reasoned debate how exactly? The subject has no relevance the point is the extreme mind set of people with a fixed view.

What are you wittering about?

OK, I agreed, I haven't seen evidence of the deaths of 6 million Jews during WWII, now what are we to do with this info?
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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 25 Jul 2012 21:14 #192

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I blame belief systems. People can believe whatever they wish to, the problems arise when they believe their way is the right way. It's their believe system, their very existence is defined by it, so of course they think that their way of life is the right way to live.
Then you get people fighting wars and killing each other to defend the "right way". You get all kinds of demonisation and propaganda, blah blah. You know what I'm getting at.

It's fucked up. Actually I blame people, we're idiots :D
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oioioi wrote:
Frog wrote:
oioioi wrote:
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I still fail to see what the relevance of your question is in relation to my post to Ron. My point was about the futility of engaging with people who hold extreme views.

Humour me. I'm genuinely curious as to where this line of questioning leads.

Is it about the legitimacy of Israel?

Why are you associating people with extreme views with Israel at all? Extreme Christians are open to a reasoned debate how exactly? The subject has no relevance the point is the extreme mind set of people with a fixed view.

What are you wittering about?

OK, I agreed, I haven't seen evidence of the deaths of 6 million Jews during WWII, now what are we to do with this info?

I've gotta ask....

Why would frog know the answer to that and why do you keep asking him oi?
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The David Icke Forum is pro-Nazi... and will do anything to hide it 25 Jul 2012 21:17 #194

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Actually dogsmilk nothing could be further from the truth, and again you're basing your opinions on pure assumption. I've been using the name Darkmoon now for years an various other alternative forums, because of my interest in the occult. Lasha Darkmoon is a complete coincidence. But read into that as you will. I enjoy reading some of her controversial articles, because some of them are interesting. Not that I agree with everything she says, I very rarely find myself agreeing with another persons work or research in it's entirety. What's with all the ad-hom attacks anyway? Havn't you got anything better to do than attack and criticise other people because of their username, or any particular researcher/artist they may enjoy. What's next my avatar... why not ... lol.

Anyway I don't need to justify myself to you or anybody else, who or what I choose to read or believe is really my bussiness and nobody else's. while I'm here, and on the subject of my PC thread, you're grossly misrpresenting what it stands for. It's not about promoting hate or making hate acceptable at all, I see it as the complete opposite infact, the cultural marxists are the ones spreading hate. But I'm not going to bother going into any of the details because I know I'll just be wasting my time. It's too nice outside atm to get invloved in long keyboard battles that end up goi g nowhere anyway, especailly when you're dealing with unreasonable individuals, so it becomes a pointless excercise and a complete waste of everybodies time and energy. Furthemore I've also done a fairly good job of keeping that thread free from generalizations. I requested other members not to turn it into another race thread or a rant, and they respected my wishes, to their credit. Anybody who doesn't believe me and chooses to blindly follow dogsmilk's word, I suggest you go and read the thread for yourself. I could if I wish bring myself down to your level and attack you back personally. But that's not really my true nature, so I'll leave the ad-homs and condescending rhetoric all to you, and you're quite good at it arn't you. Which isn't a compliment btw.

Hey if you ay it's a coincidence I'm sure it is. I was just thinkin' it kinda fits with you taking your DIF avatar from her website as well. I thought maybe you had a fanboy thing going on. Maybe you admire her poetry, though God knows why anyone would.
Since basically everything she comes out with is about teh joos there's really no reason to 'enjoy her controversial articles' unless it's about teh jooos is there? Because teh jooos is what she does. And they're not 'controversial articles' - they're deranged bullshit. I already pointed out to you how she totally misrepresented Wilhelm Reich. Who, of course, it turned out you knew absolutely nothing about.

So, ah, who are these "cultural Marxists" of which you speak? I don't think I've ever met a cultural Marxist. I've certainly never met one on the DIF. I kinda thought these days the only surviving cultural Marxists were rattling around forgotten corners of universities, rarer and more difficult to spot than the Tasmanian devil. Though Terry Eagleton is still going I suppose. I guess you could see him as a cultural Marxist. I haven't seen him spreading any hate though. Could you possibly enlighten us as to exactly which "cultural Marxists" are "spreading hate"? That's quite strongly put and I didn't really follow your thread. What is this "hate" of which you speak?
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psketti wrote:
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Darkmoon wrote:
But that's not really my true nature, so I'll leave the ad-homs and condescending rhetoric all to you, and you're quite good at it arn't you. Which isn't a compliment btw.

You don't say :coffee:

darkmoon you know the quote above totally contradicts itself yeah?

Happens alot in darkmoons posts from what I've encountered.

Bit like starting a thread about free speech then telling people to shut the fuck up...
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Bit like starting a thread about free speech then telling people to shut the fuck up...
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No skin off me :psketti:
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I blame belief systems. People can believe whatever they wish to, the problems arise when they believe their way is the right way. It's their believe system, their very existence is defined by it, so of course they think that their way of life is the right way to live.
Then you get people fighting wars and killing each other to defend the "right way". You get all kinds of demonisation and propaganda, blah blah. You know what I'm getting at.

It's fucked up. Actually I blame people, we're idiots :D

That might well be the truest post on the interwebs.

Hey ho. Back to my belief system after that short interlude.
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Hey if you ay it's a coincidence I'm sure it is. I was just thinkin' it kinda fits with you taking your DIF avatar from her website as well.

Busted... lol.
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The world is a very confused place at the moment (part of the agenda), and this thread reflects it, and the DIF reflects it also. VERY deep down in all of us we know it's wrong to generalise about other groups of people, but we also know that deep down we have the right to speak/type our opinion. These are strange times we are living in.
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