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The People's Voice 13 Jan 2014 13:55 #1421

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chandrakavi wrote:
Ofcom 1


This, was never sorted from the beginning.
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The People's Voice 13 Jan 2014 14:01 #1422

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Must of been getting processed. They do indeed have a license now:

licensing.ofcom.org.uk/tv-broadcast-licences/updates/112013
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Ta just wondered why the original posting wasn't reacted to

Love and Loot ;)
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The People's Voice 13 Jan 2014 14:08 #1424

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Thanks Baddoggydown, welcome to the Forum mate!

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The People's Voice 13 Jan 2014 14:31 #1425

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Xugk7


Contemplating tweeting this to his royal twatness...
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The People's Voice 13 Jan 2014 14:40 #1426

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I wouldn't criticise them over OFCOM too much. The fact is that OFCOM could have closed them down whenever they felt like it if they didn't get a licence. This forum could be closed down tomorrow, and we would have no recourse; loads of torrent sites were pulled virtually overnight despite the fact that there was no legitimate legal basis for it. The authorities can and will do whatever they want.

Another question entirely would be whether it's a worthwhile enterprise to run a streaming service in the manner of a television channel and then not have it on TV. For me, to make any impact you have to be on TV. Fucking waste of time having an Internet stream because it's hard enough to get people to watch a different TV channel let alone watch something on a computer.

There's definitely the potential for a group of people to get together and do something really good. There is a pretty big alternative media, there is huge interest in anti-globalist movements from what you might call 'the left', there are people protesting and campaigning against every abomination in the world, there's stuff like OWS, I see hundreds of comments in newspapers now about how badly we're getting screwed, and even the MSM is covering this stuff on a daily basis now. The average person in the street knows very well that they're getting poorer; it should be possible to do something to galvanise all of this interest and really explain why it's happening to people in an accessible and rational fashion and suggest some simple ways that we can begin to do something about it, which is not impossible, but requires a lot of public participation.

But it seems impossible for people to even agree on things, and IMHO most of the alternative media have got everything arse-backwards regarding why it's happening, let alone what can be done about it. One thing you can say for the elite is that they're bloody good at working together. I'm sure they have the odd fall out, but they know what is in their collective interest. At the moment, I don't see any prospect of such a concerted effort to do something to oppose them which will actually achieve anything.
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The People's Voice 13 Jan 2014 15:09 #1427

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getting an ofcom license was perhaps the only thing that they could do in order to actually stay on air. I totally get and understand that and cannot criticise them on that basic level. Many of those people advocate and are supported in their beliefs that non compliance is the only real answer to breaking the stranglehold legislation and business have on the media, in this regard kowtowing to legislation can be viewed as a total let down and hypocrisy.Not knowing they would need one is an example of how ill thought out the whole plan was to begin with and that to my mind is a genuine concern. Were tpv not able to garner the goodwill, support both financial and otherwise of 'the people' as a venture it would not have come to fruition.

I have not seen any business plan, no cost projections, no long term plan as to how to grow the venture, no basic breakdown of what is needed in order to run without growth or any of the usual things I would have asked to see had I been asked to invest. I also wonder how many of those who have volunteered time and skills from the dif have actually been replied to let alone been given a volunteer 'spot' or whether or not the paid and voluntary positions were given instead to people who are already affiliated with icke/sean.

All of the sonia hoohah boils down to a woman asking for transparency from a venture that has proclaimed itself different from the mainstream. Not an unreasonable ask. That there are numerous discrepancies and grievances historically that have never been fully addressed but also whitewashed has added to the vitriol that has been forthcoming since the whole thing exploded.

The voices of those who are being fucked over by successive governments, business and corporations desperately need a platform from which to speak. I am not sure tpv will ever be that platform.

What TPV has shown us is that people can be galvanised into putting their money and effort where there mouths are in order to get their voices heard. Which to my mind is an incredibly positive thing. If only the station was not headed up by such an ego who has surrounded himself with yes men with similarly over endowed egos perhaps the venture would not far more trustworthy and credible.

I see from ickes that ken o keefe is having to ask for donated funds in order to manage whilst volunteering at TPV www.pozible.com/project/176177 a programme that many say is one of the best on tpv, and yet one has to wonder if it will be able to remain if he is not able to feed himself and his family whilst volunteering. More 'proof' that the business plan was either not sound or ill thought out to begin with,

Sonia, like her or loathe her brought with her an opportunity to reach out to the mainstream and garner viewers who were not already utterly open to TPV. Her departure has closed the minds of many who are more concerned with more 'grassroots' social issues than whether or not the queen is a reptile and the world is run by nefarious jews. These are people who campaign on a daily basis against social injustice who given the time and the opening could very well have made that leap from being anti government policy to seeing a bigger picture. They are however based on facebook and other social media comments by those being driven away from TPV because tptb at TPV were unable to be honest and transparent without being rude, childish and manipulative.

We are managing to divide ourselves further and yet cannot possible unite unless honesty and integrity remain intact from all sides of the coin.
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The People's Voice 13 Jan 2014 15:16 #1428

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So the main presenters are struggling financially and yet the financial statement they released said the had spent £75,000 on wages
whose wages I wonder?
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The People's Voice 13 Jan 2014 15:22 #1429

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martg wrote:
So the main presenters are struggling financially and yet the financial statement they released said the had spent £75,000 on wages
whose wages I wonder?

thats the thing, we are naturally curious creatures or we would never have discovered anything and through refusing to be completely transparent we are left to wonder and speculate which utterly distracts from the whole point of the exercise.

One way to deal with that is to suppress that natural inquisitiveness which leads to conflict - another is to be completely open. I personally would be far more forgiving and supportive even if mistakes had been made and owned up to. I wouldn't care if sean or icke or anyone was taking a wage for example because we all have to eat and pay bills. I don't care if the odd bit of equipment has broken or been accidentally left on a train if it is owned up to. I do not like being treated like a mushroom - for if I did I would never have questioned anything.
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The People's Voice 13 Jan 2014 15:28 #1430

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
But it seems impossible for people to even agree on things, and IMHO most of the alternative media have got everything arse-backwards regarding why it's happening, let alone what can be done about it. One thing you can say for the elite is that they're bloody good at working together. I'm sure they have the odd fall out, but they know what is in their collective interest. At the moment, I don't see any prospect of such a concerted effort to do something to oppose them which will actually achieve anything.


And there it is...the crux....thank you for the whole of that post WuB.
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The People's Voice 13 Jan 2014 15:32 #1431

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thoreau wrote:
martg wrote:
So the main presenters are struggling financially and yet the financial statement they released said the had spent £75,000 on wages
whose wages I wonder?

thats the thing, we are naturally curious creatures or we would never have discovered anything and through refusing to be completely transparent we are left to wonder and speculate which utterly distracts from the whole point of the exercise.

One way to deal with that is to suppress that natural inquisitiveness which leads to conflict - another is to be completely open. I personally would be far more forgiving and supportive even if mistakes had been made and owned up to. I wouldn't care if sean or icke or anyone was taking a wage for example because we all have to eat and pay bills. I don't care if the odd bit of equipment has broken or been accidentally left on a train if it is owned up to. I do not like being treated like a mushroom - for if I did I would never have questioned anything.

exactly, given they were constantly hammering the open, honest, uncensored media angle.
in the space of a few weeks we see the vast gulf between the channel's supposed ethos and their reaction to reasonable questions.
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The People's Voice 13 Jan 2014 15:37 #1432

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i cant beleive some of the users on DI forums are auctaully saying about fear&clothing that he should be glad to get free advertisement and he should be grateful and move on lol

what a flock of sheep man !!!
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The People's Voice 13 Jan 2014 15:39 #1433

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@martg - spot on

the goodwill is out there - squandering it because of a 'do not question me' attitude and then using the same smear tactics and emotional manipulation as those they oppose is both maddening and saddening.

If tpv had walked their talk even I who loathes sean and icke with quite a passion would have tipped my hat and thrown my support in. I recognise the need for something like TPV promised to be, though I had and have no trust in its figureheads.
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The People's Voice 13 Jan 2014 15:43 #1434

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i am really beginning to detest that forum NOW !!!

so fucking bigoted, so much about "being awake" lol
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The People's Voice 13 Jan 2014 15:45 #1435

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Rizzy wrote:
i am really beginning to detest that forum NOW !!!

so fucking bigoted, so much about "being awake" lol

There are some great people there and an unbelievable amount of information available.

There can also be a huge sense of community and friendship - I find it a shame that this is squandered.
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The People's Voice 13 Jan 2014 15:48 #1436

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thoreau wrote:
@martg - spot on

the goodwill is out there - squandering it because of a 'do not question me' attitude and then using the same smear tactics and emotional manipulation as those they oppose is both maddening and saddening.

If tpv had walked their talk even I who loathes sean and icke with quite a passion would have tipped my hat and thrown my support in. I recognise the need for something like TPV promised to be, though I had and have no trust in its figureheads.

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The People's Voice 13 Jan 2014 16:33 #1437

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thoreau wrote:
Not knowing they would need one is an example of how ill thought out the whole plan was to begin with and that to my mind is a genuine concern.
This is undeniable.
I have not seen any business plan, no cost projections, no long term plan as to how to grow the venture, no basic breakdown of what is needed in order to run without growth or any of the usual things I would have asked to see had I been asked to invest.
I haven't seen any evidence that there is one.
I also wonder how many of those who have volunteered time and skills from the dif have actually been replied to let alone been given a volunteer 'spot' or whether or not the paid and voluntary positions were given instead to people who are already affiliated with icke/sean.
I'm not sure about the latter, but the answer to the former is not many. There is a perennial complaint on the DIF threads that no emails are being responded to. Here's one example:

www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=263762

While staffing levels are obviously going to be a massive issue, it's extremely sad for me that many people who are passionate about making a difference have been ignored while professional media people have been drafted in. While I would acknowledge that there is a certain pressure to produce a professional product, and I personally would not purport to be able to present a television programme, nor want to, this is the total opposite of what was supposed to happen. I can't be arsed to find the video or link, but it was specifically stated that people would get the opportunity who haven't been given it in the past.

According to her Twitter, SP was paid £300 per month; how long do you think a mainstream journalist who appears regularly on TV is going to hang around for that sort of money? Personally, I'm highly sceptical that her reasons for leaving are those stated, and I think it's quite possible that she couldn't justify the time invested for the money received and wanted to leave without losing face or being accused of lacking ethics or being money-oriented. Which would have been unfair as you cannot ask someone to present a daily TV show and then pay them £300 per month in the centre of fucking London when they're used to making really good money! You can't pull all that 'money is an energy' crap with me!

You cannot operate on goodwill, volunteerism and donations for very long. If they seriously want to survive they need to be showing some serious evidence of having attracted some sort of advertisers or at least some clear plan of how they're going to do it. Otherwise they're fucked.
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The People's Voice 13 Jan 2014 16:45 #1438

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I wouldn't criticise them over OFCOM too much. The fact is that OFCOM could have closed them down whenever they felt like it if they didn't get a licence. This forum could be closed down tomorrow, and we would have no recourse; loads of torrent sites were pulled virtually overnight despite the fact that there was no legitimate legal basis for it. The authorities can and will do whatever they want.

One thing you can say for the elite is that they're bloody good at working together. I'm sure they have the odd fall out, but they know what is in their collective interest. At the moment, I don't see any prospect of such a concerted effort to do something to oppose them which will actually achieve anything.

Totally agree with wub. But there is a sting in the tail - Ofcom requires an annual fee and a fee based on turnover. There's a sliding scale but it starts at £1000 pa. Depending on what this "not for profit" ltd company submits as turnover then there's a requirement to pay something. Merchandising and advertising would be included, what about the other revenue streams through donations?

I prophesy that there will be ongoing crowd-funding just to meet contractual obligations!!

What is common amongst so-called truthers is the amount of info to tell us what's going wrong, but no info on how to put it right. imho it's the financial system that you have to dismantle and put a fair, debt-free financial system in its place - that's just not being discussed, so truthers have no plan to work to.

I'm a newbie here, a former G-Lurker (guest/lurker), used to be on DIF a few years ago but saw the light!!
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The People's Voice 13 Jan 2014 16:50 #1439

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Nice picture of a break,inTPV,


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A love letter to the NSA agent who is monitoring my online activity. :D


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Even Mr Hitler had the decency to fake his own death.
Meanwhile Tpv is crashing and burning like holograms on 911.
my limbless friend will die alone
a torso of flesh upon the throne

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