Mckeever wrote:
For some reason this made me scream with laughter! You can only imaging what he might be thinking as he's sat nodding and listening - it would be terrible for him if he accidentally blurted out 'I love you'!

Grenadene wrote:
So you go to bed, your other half tells you he's doing some "conspiracy research", and you believe him?

Fair enough

I liked your post, Princie, so don't disappear!

The stuff that got me looking into this area was a book split into 3 volumes of around 1,000 pages apiece, called, "Theatre Earth - Who Pulls the Strings", by a lady called Rennie Henry, under the pen name, Alder.

It was quite mind-blowing, and she conducted 15 years of her own in-depth research, that would put that old plagiarist, Icke, to shame..

One of the things I respected about her was that at the outset, she described it as a work in progress, stating the conclusions she'd drawn were not set in concrete, because she was experiencing and learning constantly, which could naturally lead to changing her views as new things came to light. That's the kind of attitude that I like, and it's rarely exhibited amongst Icke's ilk. Even a lot of common-or-garden theorists on forums seem to think they're the ultimate authority on everything.

Thank you, I've tried to break it up a bit really hard on my phone, cheers!

baglady wrote: I doubt that we will ever know....
UK Column live is much better and TPV.
I am a person, one of the 'people' the written words that represent my voice were silenced on DIF by the moderation trolls.
The Peoples Voice, would be better termed 'The voices of the people who don't oppose DI'. There is very little counter argument or opposing views, and the people that they invite to oppose such views would likely keep away from DI activities, there is no point debating when the final words in the debate will likely be '' The queen of England is a shape shifter and you are a Zionist archon reptilian scumbag who is infiltrating our minds using microwaves and mercury enhanced energy saving light bulbs to control western society''.
That's TPV illusionary foundation and the fall back position.

SilvaRizla wrote:
Jesse Ventura is a twat and a complete fraud. His only purpose on that show was to come out and attack Icke during one of his breaks for his speeches. He had no interest in learning or discussing the topic of Reptilians, he was purely out to attack and create drama. I'm all for people questioning Icke's stuff on TPV, but doing so in the right manner. Richie could just say "and which research led you to that conclusion David", "Which people have you spoken to on this matter" etc, but he doesn't he just sits there, nodding away.

I'm completely open minded about every thing and I'm on the fence about the Reptilian stuff. Icke isn't the only researcher to come to the same conclusions about an Alien race using humans as a slave race and feeding off their energy. As for the holographic stuff, it is actually supported by acclaimed scientists, it just isn't mainstream science yet. If you look at the future of technology, it's quite obvious that holographic projections are going to be a HUGE part of our lives years down the line. Holograms and virtual reality are going to be massive. The moon stuff does sound a bit far fetched, but there are many bizarre mathematical anomalies and "coincidences" to do with the moon, and again, Icke isn't the only person to come to such conclusions. Scientists have no explanation for the moon actually being there either.

I hope this forum doesn't just turn into an Icke bashing playground, a lot of what he says is very credible, but yea, he certainly needs questioning (respectfully) on some of his views on TPV. Looks like Richie isn't the guy to do it though.

Princie wrote:
It made my eyes sting...
In a nutshell, are you saying that DI is a fame chaser, or someone who is attracted by fashionable culture and that he is a narcissistic sheep himself, thought he has wondered in another direction from the flock, he still hangs around the flock, as he needs the flock as material to oppose?
That's how I kind of see him, he's on the boundary of the media narcissism flock, he projects an illusion of being unattached whilst remaining attached.
It's a bit like the alternative comedian who ridicules main stream living, the fact that it's being ridiculed constantly means that the comedian by doing so is only projecting a perception of 'having nothing to do with main stream living' . (except using it to support his/her livelihood).

Mckeever wrote:
There are lots of unexplained things out there and the thing is DI has given more publicity to those things, spirituality, forces, etc. I've had a few unexplained experiences happen to me, and I resonate with some of the theories. Rupert Sheldrake has written books on psychic phenomena, like when your cat or dog knows when you are coming home! I've had experience of that myself. Morphic fields and resonance can explain animal development and behaviour. So I'm not definitely saying yes or no to the idea of alien forces.

And yes, there should be some questioning, not bear-baiting. Rupert Sheldrake is a scientist and carries out research into the phenomena he talks about, he was recently snubbed by TED on youtube as being non-scientific!!

First they laugh at you . . .

I agree with what you've said here McKeever. I find some of the symbolism in the City of London in particular to be interesting, but the reason I'm not really into all the reptilian / moon / holographic stuff (even though I am interested in the last of the three, and have read the Holographic Universe, and do think it has merit) is that I don't think it helps at this point in time. You know, let's debate whether or not the moon's a spaceship when we've stopped bombing Iraq and there aren't billions of starving people and trillions of dollars of debt that can't ever be repaid. That needs addressing first. And I have never agreed with the assertion that the 'nature of reality' stuff is more important because if it's that important you wouldn't need money to run a TV station, would you? You wouldn't need to get up in the morning and make yourself breakfast, you wouldn't need to do any of the mundane things that we need to do, and all of the bad news on TV would be meaningless. I just think a more pragmatic view is advisable at this point in time.

How did I miss this? I suppose it would have helped if I knew who Tulisa was.

wake_up_bomb wrote:


I completely agree with you...

Imagine the scene.
TPTB: Right, we need a way to stop the poor and vulnerable taking action about the massive and growing void in the haves and have nots

Dicke : I can do that, i have some amazing ideas...

TPTB : Oh yeah... such as...

Dicke : Well, what about talking about the jews taking over the world.. oh, hang on, thats a bit obvious isnt it... Okay, ALIENS.. erm... that live on the moon... hmmm.. and they errr control key people and there is nothing we can do about it..

TPTB : How on earth would that help?

Dicke : Well, you cant be held responsible for what your doing, infact, you're a victim too when you think about it

TPTB : Hmm... and they will buy this as we take all their money

Dicke : Oh yes, infact, lets get started by turning me into a media victim... that Wogan show... get me on there...

TPTB : You love the BBC dont you, get Jim to fix it for you,

Dicke : Good old Jimmy??? Nah.. Wogan will be better

TPTB : Consider it done...


From that come the books, the shows and now the TPV, amazing distractions to stop people actually taking action..

Is the the Dickes people front ?
Fuck off, this is the Front of Dickes People

According to quantum physics/ superposition/ observer effect/ parallel universe(s)/holographic realities etc...
(1)There will be a reality where DI is correct and the moon is an amplifier for the archon transmitter called Saturn that is used to influence human perception.

(2)But there will also be a reality (according to the above theories) where a man called David Icke is a Zionist dictator who controls the world with evil manipulation mind control tactics, war, genocide, he is eventually exposed as a paedophile by someone named George Bush snr who also says that the Queen of England is a giant octopus from the planet Zog.

Why does DI never discuss/write about scenario (2)

Mckeever wrote:
That's all fair enough, and I agree with you not to throw the baby out with the bath water, but Icke has just plagiarised a lot of his 'research'.

I'm personally fascinated with mythology old and new (but mostly new) and have read a few of the books that Icke cites in relation to the 'reptiles', and have absolutely no idea how he came to some of the conclusions he did. In fact, it's painfully obvious that he just plucked a sentence here and there to back up a theory that he manifested from thin air.

Mckeever wrote:

Aha! That's the thing, I think it's blurred, like most things I don't think it's black or white.

Plus people go through different phases. I don't think icke is all good or all bad or all vanity or all selfless dedication. I can only imagine what it would do to someone 'subject to mass ridicule' to later on be told he's 'a legend' and be invited on to mainstream shows and be granted an audience with Brand, Boyle, Gallagher, Williams etc. the amount of people who must say stuff like "thank you for what you do you're changing the world" For someone with even a tiny glimmer of narcissism it would be very hard to not be affected by that kind of adulation. Hence the 'drinking your own cool aid' theory.

I like your analogy of the comedian mocking mainstream life. Many of these people for instance on twitter immediately block anyone who points things like this out so they end up with a small circle of followers who say things like "lol that made me larf so much ur a legend lol"

They end up with a false reality. Blocking deleting banning will lead to this false picture of your greatness which ultimately does you no good as you fail to grow.

I'm sure you know all this anyway. Still finding it hard to navigate on here.

Princie wrote:
Every decision we make is a concious one, there is always a choice, whether adulated or hated... ie, be a total narcissist nob who is up their own arse and can't understand the whole point of debate, conceding that the highest form of intelligence is to accept that the other person believes they are right... OR Not.

If someone says and writes enough, then some of what they say will be right, a bit like throwing mud at a wall, some will stick.
Some mass murderers say some interesting things (when not on the day job), hardly makes up for their life choices.

Some might say that people act differently under stress...
I say that people are themselves when under stress, ie, that's when their true colours show...

Princie wrote: With the possible exception of Frankie Boyle, it sounds awful. And I quite like Definitely Maybe.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
I'd quite like to get lashed with Joe Brand and SuBo.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
I see DI sometimes as a guy who would go out driving to the seaside on a B road, so that he can view the motorway traffic jams and say ''look at them bloody idiots'.
If they weren't there he would not have gone out that day.....
He stops for fuel at an esso garage and says to his wife ''pffffft, look at the subliminal messages in all these logos''.
He then reaches the beach and as he rolls over sunbathing he says to the next person along on the beach, ''none of this is bloody real you know''.
He loves watching the xfactor and big brother, it's 1984, it's fantastic 'look at em, bloody mindless idiots''.

What I want to know is if DI says it's all in our minds, nothing is real, he's able to see the matrix, when is he going to stop moaning and start walking through walls?

mdmac wrote:
"Throw enough shit at the wall and some of it will stick. But make no mistake, you're walls still covered in shit."