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Hi don't know if my reply posted, I can't see it but I said thanks and I'll look up that author and have a read.
Still working this site out & I'm really not a seasoned forum user.
Bored now. Any chance some of yous could try another thread or two?
I can't believe i just read someone say they hope this doesnt become an icke bashing site...
This site is two years old and has had a heck of a lot of history in that time. Funnily enough, most of it having f all to do with icke....
I get that tpv has shown folks that icke is a cunt. The founders here all went through it. We all ranted about it so i do get that you folks want to rant. But nothing is being said in this thread. It's going round in circles...
Please, noobies, step away from this thread and lets get discussing stuff. Pretty please.
"laws are unenforceable if the majority break them."-humanspirit,
"avoid the concept of an ambassador for truth altogether"-gilly.
Yes I deleted it as I did not know if the welcome/new arrival thread was a suitable place for my post.
Don't worry about that stuff too much here. If it really needed shifting it could be shifted.
Good luck even finding a thread that stays on-topic here.
I don't mean that in a negative way, real conversations are organic and sometimes take abrupt turns. No-one dies, (very often, ish).
Yes I deleted it as I did not know if the welcome/new arrival thread was a suitable place for my post.
Don't worry about that stuff too much here. If it really needed shifting it could be shifted.
Good luck even finding a thread that stays on-topic here.
I don't mean that in a negative way, real conversations are organic and sometimes take abrupt turns. No-one dies, (very often, ish).
So was building 7 really a controlled demolition
This is where my bottom line would be if it existed.
For me, I’ve been reading about this stuff for 15 years, and other people like Chomsky, Pilger and Robert Fisk, as well as lots of economic commentators, and it’s completely obvious to me that the number one thing that has to be addressed is the economic system. As far as I’m concerned, at this point in time everything else is either a diversion or trivial by comparison. It’s obviously the most important issue because it’s coercive and compels us all to do things that we don’t want to do, or at least what we do is dictated by being economically viable.
About ten years ago, if you look at Icke’s book ‘And the truth shall set you free’ or AJ’s film ‘Martial Law’, I would have agreed with the majority of what they were saying, although I don’t get into all that Masonic stuff, and I’m not sure why AJ spent so long going on about Arnie becoming president in that film because that was patently never going to happen. I feel that since then they’re getting further and further away from a sensible or useful perspective.
I even heard a bit of Stefan Molyneux having a deabte with Peter Joseph recently:
I couldn’t be bothered to listen to the whole thing because Molyneux was talking complete tosh. But he was arguing that the government is the most important and corrosive element of the existing system, and if we eliminated the government everything would improve. This is a frankly ridiculous opinion that Peter Schiff has advocated and Ron Paul, and many others. I agree with many of the things that they say, but ultimately this view is bollocks.
Getting rid of the government will not do any good because ‘the market’ is controlled by quadrillion dollar interests that completely dominate everyone’s lives. They’re the people causing all the problems! So it doesn’t make much sense to then give them carte blanche to do whatever they want, and hope that they’ll organise society in some sort of remotely equal fashion. They clearly won’t. There won’t be anything like equality of opportunity; in fact there wouldn’t even be a minimum wage any more. We experience absolutely incredible exploitation now, but with what small amount of regulation there is removed, we would really see a race to the bottom. I am quite sure if you went to Max Keiser and asked him whether it would be a good idea to have a completely unregulated City of London and Wall Street then he would laugh in your face (of course, it’s barely regulated now).
But I don’t see anything from Icke or AJ or even Chomsky saying that the economic system has to fundamentally change, the entire structure of society must be altered, and here’s how we’re going to do it. Chomsky argues for the democratisation of institutions, which I agree with, and that can be part of the solution. But it’s not the institutions that hold the power, it’s capital. Until you seriously restrict the coercive influence of the obscenely wealthy over the culture, all of the trends that we’re seeing at the moment will simply become more ingrained.
Really everything possible, every ounce of energy, ought to go into (a) explaining this in a concerted fashion, and (b) attempting to begin to organise society differently. Everything else is a waste of time. It’s great that people are protesting fracking, but it will happen anyway because powerful and wealthy interests want it to happen. I’m sure people feel very strongly about paedophilia and I can understand why, but immoral and compromised individuals will continue to seek and gain power within such a corrupt system.
Even setting up a television station in order to embezzle money (I’m not 100% convinced this was the reason for it) is a direct product of this system because you’re obliged to keep generating sources of income in order to survive, unless you’ve been fortunate enough to have an incredible success or control a valuable resource.
So for me unless you address this directly then everything else is a waste of time. Yet as far as I can see, most people in the ‘truth movement’, particularly in the United States, actually believe the complete opposite. They are sympathetic to the views of Molyneux and Schiff and AJ and Ron Paul (and I agree with some of the things all of these people say) and hundreds of other people who believe that less government is the answer, and if we had less government the society would suddenly sort itself out. So most people involved have got things completely arse-backwards to begin with. Anything that they encounter which doesn’t espouse this view they tend to call ‘Communist’.
I don’t usually find the time, energy or inclination to write this much about these subjects anymore because I see absolutely no hope whatsoever that the existing trends are going to get anything other than much worse. Honestly sitting there at this point in time pointing out that the government is corrupt is a waste of time. Everyone with half a brain cell already knows this, and those that don't, do not care. There has to be a concerted effort to build a movement to actually change things. These people are going to have to start offering something relevant, otherwise they will end up broke too because there just will not be any money left to support them. There won't be any small businesses left to sponsor AJ, or not enough, and people won't have any disposable income for moneybombs or anything else (not that they do now).
G'day Wake_Up_Bomb.
Well stated.
I came to a similar conclusion about the socio-economic system that we call society a number of years ago.
Eating soup with a fork and deluding ourselves into thinking it is a spoon we are using and that the soup actually is getting into our mouths.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
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On David Icke's dot connector show Riche just literally lets Icke rant for an hour without saying or questioning any thing, nodding his head like a Winston Churchill dog. Guess he knows who the boss is. I'd rather just see Icke stand in front of an audience and give a speech like he does in his live shows rather than have Richie just sat there nodding along next to him.
He needs a good quizzing on this moon matrix reptilian bollocks. But no, TPV won't dare do it, and if someone does (Jesse Ventura) you get told to fuck off and just walk off set.
TPV - The Padrone's Voice.
Just to add some weight to the other scale, Icke was pretty much set up with that whole stint anyway. If Jesse was in it for any kind of research or truth, he'd of been understanding and given David time to answer himself, then let the people watching decide for themselves. But no, it's the one thing always laughed and shrugged off, which always makes me curious as to why, as it can't be just because they find it ludicrous.
On David Icke's dot connector show Riche just literally lets Icke rant for an hour without saying or questioning any thing, nodding his head like a Winston Churchill dog. Guess he knows who the boss is. I'd rather just see Icke stand in front of an audience and give a speech like he does in his live shows rather than have Richie just sat there nodding along next to him.
He needs a good quizzing on this moon matrix reptilian bollocks. But no, TPV won't dare do it, and if someone does (Jesse Ventura) you get told to fuck off and just walk off set.
TPV - The Padrone's Voice.
Jesse Ventura is a twat and a complete fraud. His only purpose on that show was to come out and attack Icke during one of his breaks for his speeches. He had no interest in learning or discussing the topic of Reptilians, he was purely out to attack and create drama. I'm all for people questioning Icke's stuff on TPV, but doing so in the right manner. Richie could just say "and which research led you to that conclusion David", "Which people have you spoken to on this matter" etc, but he doesn't he just sits there, nodding away.
I'm completely open minded about every thing and I'm on the fence about the Reptilian stuff. Icke isn't the only researcher to come to the same conclusions about an Alien race using humans as a slave race and feeding off their energy. As for the holographic stuff, it is actually supported by acclaimed scientists, it just isn't mainstream science yet. If you look at the future of technology, it's quite obvious that holographic projections are going to be a HUGE part of our lives years down the line. Holograms and virtual reality are going to be massive. The moon stuff does sound a bit far fetched, but there are many bizarre mathematical anomalies and "coincidences" to do with the moon, and again, Icke isn't the only person to come to such conclusions. Scientists have no explanation for the moon actually being there either.
I hope this forum doesn't just turn into an Icke bashing playground, a lot of what he says is very credible, but yea, he certainly needs questioning (respectfully) on some of his views on TPV. Looks like Richie isn't the guy to do it though.
Come now McKeever....
Watch the Ventura video again, Ventura wasn't nearly as bad as made out on DIF. He made very sensible points to Icke, points that need to be made when addressing this sort of stuff.
Being one consciousness, we should all in theory be sharing this experience with the reptillians and hence be connected to them. If I was Icke and had seen these entities that conveniently exist just outside of visible light I'd have thrown about 50 grand in to trying to prove it. We can turn non visible light visible for a start. Why has nobody astral travelled in to a reppie or as we're connected found some way of exposing them? If they're able to drink our blood and harvest our energy they can't be that disconnected from our reality that it shouldn't have been proven. As for reptilian symbolism, the clue is in the name it is merely symbolism. It isn't supposed to be taken literally, a snake would most likely indicate danger, something hard to depict in a carving.
As for the holographic universe stuff, that's very very clever spin by Icke to try and give him some credibility. Mainstream science is not in line with Icke's theory at all. Icke thinks that we're living in a sort of projected reality akin to whats happening in The Matrix, whereas mainstream science is referring reality to a hologram in the sense of how information works. This first came about via physicists studying the event horizons of black holes. They realised that the size/contents of the space can be thought of as encoded within the event horizon, much like a hologram's information is stored in any part of the whole. They are two completely separate comparisons or interpretations. I suspect Icke knows this.
There may be some issues the mainstream has in explaining the history of the moon, its a damn site more probable than it being an alien spaceship though. Just because something is theoretically possible, does not mean it is anywhere near probable.
She was first shown on The Lock In, later on The Banned, and could be mistaken for Ali G's Mrs. She is supposed to represent the proportion of our population who are a bit like Dappy.
Well it turns out, she's a fake. This person is just a character of Emma Packer's who's a bit like Catherine Tate.
No mention of any of this by TPV, who are portraying her as a real person. A "showbiz" friend of Gareth's no doubt, just trying to make a name for herself. Somewhat underhanded of TPV yet again.
Bored now. Any chance some of yous could try another thread or two?
I can't believe i just read someone say they hope this doesnt become an icke bashing site...
This site is two years old and has had a heck of a lot of history in that time. Funnily enough, most of it having f all to do with icke....
I get that tpv has shown folks that icke is a cunt. The founders here all went through it. We all ranted about it so i do get that you folks want to rant. But nothing is being said in this thread. It's going round in circles...
Please, noobies, step away from this thread and lets get discussing stuff. Pretty please.
That's me told!!! I had no idea this was your kingdom.
I thought this forum would be different given we all seem to have suffered over at dif but it looks like we haven't learnt anything. I never thought I would join another forum because even if it starts off okay, what usually happens is that you get an enclave, a small group, who hold court and decide who they want to be their friends. People who don't have any success in their outside life can find some self importance in the ether - well good luck with that. While you're all deciding who to play with there's a whole lot of shit going on outside and it's debatable whether we are going to survive as a species.
I'm coming to the end of my life, and it can't come soon enough for me. I've had a gutful throughout my life of moody psychopaths, selfish twits and downright stupid. The reason why humanity is getting hammered is because it deserves it, it can't organise itself let alone others, out of a wet paper bag. I never thought that one day I would feel like this, but it's been creeping up on me, perhaps humanity would be better off being destroyed. It certainly hasn't shown any convincing argument why it should survive.
Throughout my life I have stood up for my principles at great cost to my own well-being, because I always believed that truth is more important and will succeed in the end. I've had my life pretty shaken up by the psychopaths who saw me as their next meal ticket, but I have survived against the odds. I'm left wondering why and what it's all for. Such a waste of time and energy over what exactly?
I'm a creative person, I like to give and I like to be positive, but as Thomas Sheridan and others have noted, the psychopaths are after destroying your soul. I used to have a soul, but my experiences show that a soul is not required in this world, it only sets you up as a target.
Sorry this has been Off Topic and certainly a rant, but there will no more from me. Enjoy playing in your sandbox, you should be proud that your efforts are creating a better world!!!! Not . . .
You sound like you're feeling vulnerable at the minute, but don't be fooled by Knobs' brusqueness. He's a very kind-hearted soul.
It's just his way of encouraging people to spread out into the rest of the forum, is all. The familiarity of members who've been here a bit leads us to speak to each other in a manner that might be seen as abrasive sometimes, but usually it's tongue in cheek and meant with good humour.
I have to disagree regarding humanity deserving extinction. There are lots of acts of love and kindness in amongst the grimness, and there's a lot of good in a lot of people that's worth cherishing and rejoicing in.
There are times when people will fall into despair, but to condemn the whole of mankind, and be tricked into focusing on only the ugly stuff is a sad waste.
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With all due respect, I think that maybe you have taken knob out of context perhaps?
This forum IS different. As knobs said, we can empathise with all of you who have landed here because of recent events.....we've been through the wash, rinse, repeat cycle, and when you have been here a little longer, you will see what has happened...will happen again.
All he is trying to point is.....get your rant and disgust at what has happened done....then move on....look at the rest of the threads here, get involved with what INSPIRES you, not what 'pulls you down'.
Some of us actually get away from the forum to meet up together, to do inspirational things and report back here.
Instead of a forum being the hub where all we do is trawl around the net and report on whats going on 'out there' I think you'll find pockets on this forum where people, myself included, treat the forum as somewhere to come back to and report on our life experiences.
It is my view that this is what is wrong with most forums, where they are regarded as the hub and not the melting pot for ideas and thoughts brought in from outside ones living room or wherever your computer might be located.
I feel you don't want any sympathy, but may I say I can empathise with the way you feel, and hope now you've vented you feel a bit better and can take a second look at what we are trying to do around here which indeed does make this forum considerably different from the rest.
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But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma,
a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.
Anyone fnding this place who wants to have a rant, should go right ahead. It goes without saying that it's going to happen and given it's all still very fresh and ongoing, moaning about these threads being active isn't really warrented in my opinion.
People will find their own way around here in their own time and it would piss me off if I was new and being more or less told I'd said enough on a particular subject and asked to basically move along.
Which is how it reads to me.
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