Ultimately, TPV is a Ltd company.
When you look at companies house, how many of those new businesses are funded off donations?

The only reason Dicke et al are saying it's non profit is because it might not making a profit right now, as the business owners, that hit is theirs, in the same way it is for anyone setting up a business.

When it turns a profit without the begging plate (which i'm sure will remain), are they going to give money to their great unquestioning brainwashed ?

The huge problem Dicke is making for himself stems from the very people who are mindlessly following without question.. When Dicke upsets them, they wont accept that disappointment easily, Dicke could well end up with obsessed people stalking him or force joining him for the next stage of life.

Dickes window of opportunity for putting things right is in weeks, not months or years...

mdmac wrote:
I'm trying to find out if donations are considered part of the revenue stream. If tpv was a registered charity - a real not for profit entity - then donors could claim tax relief and tpv would claim tax relief. Interesting on www.hmrc.gov.uk/charities/tax/trading/subsidiary.htm is the fact that tpv could have been set up as a charity but use a subsidiary to carry out trading activities and not be restricted as a charity.

baglady wrote: Nice to have you here. I'm going to say something positive. I haven't watched any of TPV (I'll come to my reasons why in a second), but they have actually, based on their Youtube channel, done some good stuff that no-one in the UK has managed before. They got Ann Widdecombe on, for example, and if you look through the list of guests, I think it's pretty impressive to be fair:

www.youtube.com/user/TheTPVchannel/videos

But I haven't watched it because, as you rightly say, there need to be solutions worked towards, or at least communicated. There is no point in having yet another Internet stream which points out that there's a lot of corruption about. There might be a bit more point if they were on TV, but no-one is going to watch an Internet stream other than those people who already understand and know about what is being discussed. Every fucker else is going to watch the new series of Splash with Tom Daley (who I respect) and that twat who used to be / still is in (delete as applicable) Boyzone.

baglady wrote:

Oh my god!!!

It's a circular tax dodge

www.hmrc.gov.uk/charities/tax/trading/subsidiary.htm

Why use a subsidiary trading company?
Under charity law, a charity is not allowed to carry out non-charitable trading. That is because non-charitable trading could put the assets of the charity at risk.
Your charity might want to use a subsidiary trading company to:
carry out non-charitable purpose trading on a much bigger scale than your charity would be allowed to under charity and tax law
protect your charity's assets from the risks of trading - in case the turnover from the business venture wasn't enough to cover the costs of carrying on the trade
set up a separate administrative unit for accounting or management purposes
A subsidiary company can take advantage of the tax relief available for charitable donations. If your charity's subsidiary company gives all or part of its profits to your charity then it won't have to pay any tax on the profits it donates.
Your charity might use a subsidiary trading company for ventures that place its assets at risk if it carried on the trading activity itself. If the tax benefits are the main reason for considering setting up a trading subsidiary. it might be wise to get professional accountancy and legal advice. It might turn out that the advantages are not enough to justify the costs of setting up and running the subsidiary.
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Tax and tax relief for your subsidiary trading company
If your charity sets up a subsidiary trading company to generate income, the trading company itself isn't a charity. It's an ordinary limited company and has to pay Corporation Tax on its profits.
But, like any other company, it can get tax relief on charitable donations it makes. So if your charity's trading subsidiary makes payments in the form of donations to your charity it can reduce the amount of Corporation Tax it pays. If it donates all its taxable profits to your charity it will pay no Corporation Tax at all.
Your charity's trading subsidiary pays the donations to your charity without taking off any tax. It gets tax relief for these donations. Your charity doesn't pay tax on the amounts it receives provided it uses the money for its charitable purposes.
When can the trading subsidiary make donations?
It's up to the directors of the trading company when to make the payments. Putting them off for a while could help with the company's cash flow. The relief is normally given for the relevant accounting period when paid. But provided a donation is made to its parent company within nine months of the end of a particular accounting period, a company wholly owned by one or more charities can choose to treat the donation as if it was paid in that earlier accounting period. A claim to carry back a gift in this way must be made within two years of the end of the accounting period to which the gift relates.
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thanks wub.

I worked as an IT/management consultant in a previous life, and there was a requirement for a mission statement in any organisation so that people working within that organisation would be working towards that "vision" - tpv and the rest of us need to have something similar!

Tpv have been having some great guests on all sides of the argument, which is as it should be in order to present a balanced report. So I ask myself why DI would jeopardise such a lofty scheme on some industrial dispute!!! DI started the ball rolling with a press release early on, following some cryptic comments on the Richie Allen show.

Surely things should have been managed better in-house. It looks like SP only had one salary payment of £300 to cover her late joining of tpv so I'm not sure why she would be rocking the boat so early on? So many questions.

Practical solutions to the mess we find ourselves in would be welcome, but they are usually absent. Looking at different systems of creation and issuance of money would be a great start.

flew over my head a bit that mdmac. Are you saying that TPV Ltd will be donating any profit to an as yet undisclosed puppet charity?

Or are you saying something else?

SilvaRizla wrote:

Yeah,it might be worth determining if they have a charity set up or any charitable affiliations who they can wash their money though to avoid paying tax...
They have after-all, had their followers pay money to a Ltd company on an ongoing basis, then banned them from forums and called them stupid. TPV LTD is committed on continuing its zero personal liability or transparency.

I can't believe how TPV's best presenter and biggest activist by a country mile is doing his show voluntarily and isn't even getting payed directly by TPV for his work. I'm talking about O'Keefe, who's on right now. Dude is a powerhouse.

Mckeever wrote:
I used to watch O'Keefe and I agree he is a formidable presenter, knows his stuff. I can't believe that he relies on donations to keep afloat. Looks like different presenters are being treated differently, how much does Richie (DI bitchie) get?

baglady wrote:
oddly enough we have never been told - we do know his rent is £1200 a month, icke pays £250 a month for a room and richie pays his rent from his tpv wages. it was all written on his fb page think there is a link somewhere on this thread though i may be wrong.

thoreau wrote:
Its also worth noting that he went from being a volunteer to a paid presenter in less than a week. Obviously already on the cards.

Its dodgy as fook is TPV.

I guess if Ken O'Keefe were to leave TPV (Hope so) then that would be about the end of it.
He's the only creditable character there....
Why he wants to associate the plight of the Palestinians with the Moon matrix idk.

TPV needs Ken O'Keefe a lot more than Ken O'Keefe needs TPV.
If anything because TPV is likely damaging to Ken O'Keefe's middle eastern message, because of DI's lunar rantings etc...

Perhaps we need a telethon to raise money for DI to visit the moon with a shovel and spade so he can send us back the pictures of the reptilian lair?
Or is it that the moon is a hologram.... ?
The last I heard from DI, it was an amplifier for the archon transmitter known as Saturn that is used to influence the human perception.

The reason DI does not mention reptilians/ archons on TPV is because he knows that Ken O'Keefe etc... would be waving goodbye.

Hello again! I popped up the other night to say "well done" for creating this forum (quite patronisingly when I read it back) but I really meant it, I'd even go as far as to say it warms my cold heart and gives me hope.

It's so important that people and ideas can be questioned. Oh holy cock of Christ it's so very very very important. I never really used the David Icke forum, I think I asked one question a few years ago which no one could answer, oh no...someone did tell me that they knew the answer but didn't tell me what it was.

Anyway, the deletions, suspensions and bannings are so beautifully, tragically paradoxical that I could laugh if I didn't know that many people had put time, effort, hope and now money into this. Until recently, I had an explanation or rather my mind had created a convenient narrative for any criticism aimed at the Icke machine, it's because of this I think I have a little insight into how the defenders are now behaving. You will do anything to defend your belief system. A few years ago, some people began to question the fact that David Icke's son was being promoted on his website.

David wrote an open letter type of thing in which (and this is important because it's his main argument for everything) he made huge sweeping comparisons designed to make people feel silly, petty, cruel etc. It goes something like this.... "People are dying, our freedoms are being taken away, we're hurtling towards a global Orwellian nightmare (etc etc) and you're taking the time to complain about me promoting my son" he also called people "bitchy" now....this is a great thing to do because it creates a huge chasm. If someone started using David's own methods in response to him, it would work equally. "People are dying David and you've taken the time to release a bitchy retort to Sonia Poultan, you could have used that time to save a child, that child's probably dead now because of you, child killer" also, the entire system he is apparently trying to bring an end to is one built on networks and nepotism and favours and back scratching so it is not at all surprising that any alternative place, any new movement is going to be under scrutiny and it would be really very important that it doesn't look like it was doing the same old things. "Meet the old boss, same as the new boss" for any Who fans. Of course, if David's son was an incredibly original and stunningly talented and supernaturally gifted musician/performer breaking new ground with music which excited and inspired people and there was a huge demand for him then it may be different.

The promotion of Gareth was one of many alarm bells for me. The fact that David Icke doesn't really engage on twitter but just retweets things like "how can I donate? Unless it's Danny Baker then he sends a tirade of replies. He seems very star struck in a completely childish way. The amount of time David mentions the 'mass ridicule' reeks of narcissism. Yes he was mocked but so have many celebrities been. Vivienne Westwood was ridiculed on the same show and seldom mentioned it, certainly didn't spend the next 20 years spitting venom about it at any opportunity. The whole world has seen Tulisa suck a cock and she seemed to get on with things. He mentions it over and over and over again reminiscent of someone who will NEVER forgive the damage to his ego. I've been introduced to a lot of useful information through his site but also wasted a lot of time.

It seems to be a case of do as I say not as I do and I think he's someone to graduate from. If anyone else had been opening for the Olympics surely he'd be 'connecting the dots' & making all kinds of insinuations but because it's Russell Brand and his son is a fan of Russell Brand and Russell Brand has paid lip service to David Icke's work....I sometimes wonder how much of the last few years has been about Gareth's aspirations. If you keep telling your dad how much you were bullied as a child because of him then that would be an incredible guilt trip. I do know someone who was at TPV in the beginning (after lots of encouragement from me which I now feel bad about) and the feeling was kind of "Gareth is really into comedy so we need to do this or that...!" What? Hence this awful 90's throwback Chris Evans Lad wannabe faux laughter in the background...

Another thing David Icke seems to take a lot of credit for is "people all over the world starting to wake up" well we have the internet and I think this would have happened with or without him. I spent a lot of time defending him because of several reasons. I like to defend an underdog! Because 1.I'm an annoying twat and a contrarian. 2. It made me feel smug. 3. The awful dark frightening 'lower forth dimension' stuff probably tapped into my feelings about the world. That it's unfair, evil, dull, manipulative & generally shit. Great! But.... It's not how it's supposed to be! It's being manipulated to be like this and really we're beautiful loving infinite ageless beings! Ah!!! I knew it all along! And because I'm so special, I was supposed to stumble across this information and also, this fast track pseudo science can make me sound like I know a bit about physics and or meta physics without doing any really hard work or long reading! Just a few lines here & there from his bumper book of consciousness for Dummies with the big bright pictures. A short cut really, always attractive to me. Another question I have. So everything is an illusion and I only see a fraction of visible light and I'm a dickhead because I can't see out if the ends of my fingertips (tales from the time loop) or astrally travel at will around the universe. Well, what's the point in me knowing that? It just makes the reality I'm in seem even more dull. David Icke says energy goes where attention goes.

I convinced myself that he needed to be a narcissist to fight the same level of narcissism that rules this world! So the world is run by psychopaths, maybe it takes a psychopath to be that intense about confronting it??! The horrible paradox has always been, the best people with the best ideas are never prime minister and seldom even famous. They are the people quietly suggesting things but so full of doubt and so questioning especially of themselves that the ideas never get out! The fact that Russell brand says he doesn't vote & it's massive news is pathetic. But it's only my opinion.

One more quick little thing, there is a horrible culture of describing opinions as 'rants' and asking questions as 'trolling' and disliking someone as 'being a hater' if anything is indicative of this 'Orwellian nightmare' surely it's this newspeak! A lot of celebrities now call anyone questioning anything a troll and I think the Icke camp are copying this mindset. It's a convenient end to any sentient debate. "You're a hater! You're just jealous cos I'm so excellent!" No! Asking questions, even tweeting David Baddiel and saying "I don't think you're very funny" is not being a troll. I don't think so. Repeatedly tweeting GaGa just to say "kill yourself" is trolling. Thats right isn't it?
I suggest a new tv radio internet musical called "the voice of the people who have some good ideas but are probably unsure of them and are still working things out to be honest"


Searching for truth or at least trying to get close to what in the world we are and where and why can be a lonely and frustrating business. You can feel pushed from pillar to post finding nothing but the Emperors New Clothes each time thinking you found a clue only to be disappointed. I've usually been pretty disappointed with conspiracy theorists finding them just as smug and dull as any Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons who stop me in the street, eyes glazed over.
And yet I'm bored shitless with people who want to talk about Cheryl Coles tattoo.

I admit, it was the narcissist in me that was drawn to the narcissism of Icke. The desire to be right! And yet... That search that I mentioned is the most fascinating thing on earth, to never give up trying to learn, to never become too set in opinion. Let it grow, be like water -bruce lee I think.
And that's what I think I'll do. I've no idea. For all I know, Mormons may have it right. I'll look like a right fuck wit.

Probably talks about it when he's drunk now mate....


www.freakingnews.com/Obama-is-a-Lizard-Pictures-76703.asp

Im so sorry that was incredibly long. I'll balance it out by disappearing for a week.

Excellent post mate, that echoed many of my own sentiments. It was difficult to read though to be honest, you could do with breaking it up in to paragraphs. Other than that though, top notch buddy

On David Icke's dot connector show Riche just literally lets Icke rant for an hour without saying or questioning any thing, nodding his head like a Winston Churchill dog. Guess he knows who the boss is. I'd rather just see Icke stand in front of an audience and give a speech like he does in his live shows rather than have Richie just sat there nodding along next to him.

Blue_Tackler wrote:
I'm catching up with some UK Column videos, the latest Doomwatch with Alex:g and Patrick Henningsen. Patrick is an expert on the Middle East and did say somewhere, can't remember where now, that he had been approached by tpv but after some discussion Patrick decided to say no. I wonder if O'Keefe was a replacement?

I fear some good people will be tarnished by association with this project. Absolutely no way should DI be at the helm, it'll be hard enough to get middle england to give up work and sit at the their computers all days. Also, Ive noticed they don't put anything worth watching later on? sorry but all the music Ive heard so far has been rubbish?? Late at night is when most norms would take a look at these things, after the other half has gone bed

Mckeever wrote:
He needs a good quizzing on this moon matrix reptilian bollocks. But no, TPV won't dare do it, and if someone does (Jesse Ventura) you get told to fuck off and just walk off set.

TPV - The Padrone's Voice.