While I'm not publically discussing my infractions, it was my post originally, so i reproduce it here faithfully - after all it was SR who challenged me on that thread to go away and look at the external evidence and come back to openly discuss the issue, which I did, and I did. He addressed this post to me, but my reply was deleted. This is my reply to Scottishryan that got deleted.
Okay but you seem to have twisted things slightly.
I've given you an example
Yes you have given an example of a ranting by someone on their FB page. Is that what made it headline news? Is this more guesswork?
Thus it would be unwise to release any documents due to this.
No mention of this in the headlines page, we are left to fill in our own blanks and provide our own evidence to back up David Ickes Headlines? I'm sorry but that is shoddy journalism. Why is it left to you to provide the evidence to back up the news story?
You are asking site volunteers - and posters - to provide proof held by those supplying news on the main site?
Hmm this is where you are twisting things I feel! This is what I am stating we should NOT have to do to provide the basic facts for somebody else's news story. I was merely asking a serious and very simple question about the title and the linked articles, utterly reasonable I would have thought given the fact that this forum is a sub of the official David Icke website where the headlines are published, I have done so with total openness, but pages of trolling and sliding later, nothing that would satisfy the words used in the title has been forwarded, just guess-work, 'it was private', and 'wait and see'. Well if this is how Icke plans to take on the establishment then it doesn't pass muster at the level of a child, how do you expect this to be a rallying call to the disaffected if Icke cannot put together a simple article that makes sense?
I did not start this post, I did not use the words - this was David Icke's headline news and posted here by Sean - I am simply asking for first line checks, which failed.
There is also a systematic process under-way off site, where volunteers and posters here are being attacked, verging very close too legal implications.
Then why is this context not given in the headlines? We are left to guess what it could be. It doesn't seem a very good way of going about it to print a story about abuse, and give NO HINTS TO WHAT THAT ABUSE IS, and leave it to others to guess what the abuse was, or is insider knowledge the only way to know what it is refering to? Let me reiterate - no mention of abuse in the article, no context, no markers for 'we'll come back to this later'. If there has been abuse bad enough to make the headlines, then at least there should be a few lines at the top of the piece to say, paraphrasing your words
"volunteers and posters here are being attacked, verging very close too legal implications and that will be dealt with in due course..."
But nothing at all, no markers to park our questions of 'where is the abuse mentioned in the title', not even what that abuse constituted. Any rational person reading that headline article would want to know, was it physical abuse, verbal abuse, via social media?
So due to what is possibly going to be a massive shock to another sites admin & staff legally, I have no time to hunt out documents for you...go search the link on facebook please and then come back and discuss openly.
Openly discussing is exactly what I have been doing here.
What kind or journalist leaves out the meat from the title, and then expects readers to go and do their own research to provide the BASICS of the story - this isn't even 'further research' this is 'ANY RESEARCH'. I have better things to do with my time than play a game of fill in your own news gaps. HAVING SAID THAT - I have been off site to look for this abuse but I have not found any other mention of it or any evidence at all of Lee Ryan abusing staff at TPV.
Why should I go and provide the basic building blocks for a headline news story carried by this sister site?
LOL what a crock of shit! WHAT THE F**K HAPPENED TO THE MONEY? Indigogo hacked, Youtube hacked.......financial accounts hacked next time eh David? HOW COME YOUR OWN WEBSITE IS STILL UP AND RUNNING? Only brain-stem dead morons would follow this conman of the ESTABLISHMENT!
Is that facebook rant the only evidence of 'abuse'? Seriously? That makes Icke's Global Headline News? Along with the war in Syria, fracking, children being kidnapped by the state, we have 'idiot of no consequence rants on own facebook page' - really? Or are we to take it that there is more 'in the background' in private? If it was in private why make an unsubstantiated news broadcast on it? Either way, it is absolutely shocking 'journalism'.
This is what you seem to be failing to understand, like the original op, missing the point entirely.
www.davidicke.com/headlines/2014/01/24/
Friday 24th January 2014 at 06:08
By David Icke
HEADLINES FOR JANUARY 24TH, 2014
Lee Ryan, abusing staff at The People's Voice ('abusing' = present tense) - (no further mention of what is given in the title.)
This was such a bad incident it made it to Icke's Headline News, posted by David Icke; remember, this is where we learn how to dissect the dream world we think is real.
I don't understand how you can with a straight face tell me to go to Lee Ryan's Facebook page and look for the evidence myself. And then in the next breath you tell me that it is all happening in private messages. So what would be the point of me going to his FB page then? I did briefly go and visit his page, what people write on their own FB pages is up to them, I see plenty of vitriol directed at TPV, but not what I would call abuse at TPV staff, and certainly not what would constitute worldwide headline news. I was expecting at least a donut to have been thrown at someone. I mean, even the shittest red tops will have at least one thing that their headline is based on, however trivial it is, and you might have to read through a few paragraphs to get to the MEAT that was mentioned in the title, and sometimes you feel like you have been tricked with a triviality into reading that far! But this 'news' story does not even have that - it labels Ryan an 'abuser' and then makes no mention of it until the phrase "Speaking of abusers".
It is journalism of the very worst kind, it fails at a sub-GCSE level, and your answers, sliding, shilling, filling in the blanks with guesswork, only go to show how bad this is.
So, we shall wait and see then.
But if I have spotted this, you can bet you that thousands of Icke's audience will have spotted this. People are awake to such blatant NLP tricks, and it isn't even a very good one. What is Icke doing publishing a non-story like this, because it looks like the purpose was to stick the label of 'ABUSER' to Lee Ryan BEFORE any kind of evidence is brought to the public forum.
@Curly - can you show me where I criticised TPV? Use quotes if that is helpful?
I'll start you off;
Originally Posted by white horse View Post
I am neither attacking TPV nor defending Lee Ryan, it is a simple journalistic t-crossing, please someone show me an example of Lee Ryan...
"abusing staff at The People’s Voice"
That's it, word for word, pretty boring, just me laboriously going through it point by point, which seeing as SR was addressing me I would address his points.
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that thread with reason and grace. 
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