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The People's Voice 08 Mar 2014 13:25 #5461

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This may be a no-brainer question but: Has anybody asked for their money back?; because even though tecnically a donation, it was a conditional one, namely that they were going to do X, Y and Z. It was donated with reasonable expectation of X,Y and Z being at least attempted and the issue of performance is very valid. A charity soliciting money for a "Specific Purpose" would have a duty to fulfill that purpose - otherwise it would get its knuckles rapped or, at worse face fraud charges against its directors.

There is also the duty of care in managing the project and taking reasonable actions to conduct things legally, prevent fraud and fulfil the original premise in a reasonable way. This brings in the neglect angle - and sits comfortably in the area of Tort Law.

Worth a thunk - if anyone is seriously out of pocket.
It would also make them think twice before scamming anyone else - or another chancer doing an "Indygoogoo" on them.

ETA: The more I think about this the more aspects come to mind that could be actionable in law. Obviously, the first approach would be to politely ask for the return of your donation and explain your reason for doing so. But if they ignore you or try to brush off that I would seriously consider taking it further if: (i) The money was sufficiently large (ii) You believe they behaved in an un-principled way (iii)You have sufferred - for example they asked for "The Peoples" input of material etc and you donated time or expense and that, as we can see has not sufficiently materialised in any meaningful way. etc etc etc.
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The People's Voice 08 Mar 2014 13:32 #5462

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It would probably depend upon their initial wording of the proposition.
If they said "We aim to ..." then they acknowledge that they may not achieve that end and the donator accepts that possible outcome.
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Another major issue is that of "Misrepresentation" Their action of making it a Private Limited Company is at complete odds with their stated aims of it being a community resource - not for profit etc. Very disingenious to say the least and the proper conduct, in that company form would have been to issue shares based on contribution amount.
It should have been set up as a CIC (Community Interest Company) or Company Limited by Guarantee if they really meant it to be a community, non-profit resource.
Their stated "Intentions" never seem to have matched their "Actions" - very telling.
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I only ever donated £10.00 to the first campaign and was saved by Outlaw from setting up a DD as I was going to. He pointed me to Earthlinggb's blog about October last year. I went on the DI Forum and posted a link to the blog which was immediately taken down and I was told off for being disruptive. I asked for my money back and was told told by the mod that TPV was nothing to do with the forum. :umm:

I emailed TPV directly but I never got an answer. If I had donated a few hundred quid I would be pissed off enough to pursue it but as it was freely given I don't know if anybody would have a leg to stand on. I feel really sorry for those who have not realised what has happened yet, especially the old age pensioners. Where I work there are still OAP's who refuse to believe the media about Jimmy Saville because "he did so much for charidee." :roll:
I did what I thought was best at the time and when I knew better I did better. :)
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First Indiegogo campaign, just reading all that pile of crap again makes me realise just how conned we all were. :pirant:

www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-people-s-voice
I did what I thought was best at the time and when I knew better I did better. :)
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Around christmas time late night radio Elissa Hawkes said there were 6000 emails unread and 3 people to deal with that.
No one is going to read those emails.
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4:30 in...
Is it just me? I hear fucking violins bawhahahahha!!!!!!!

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we can rise above our defilements and sufferings of life" - Buddhist Value
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The total has passed £274,000 so far with a target of at least £300,000 by the end of the appeal on July 10th. This will pay for the technology and key personnel to take us to air as a top class 24-hour uncensored global TV and radio station in which the information will be the 'star'.

Uncensorred my ass. Ofcom anyone?
Information a 'star"? Hmm... you mean Gareth be the star.
We will be broadcasting daily out of the UK and US with other programmes in the planning for Australia, the Middle East, Africa and other parts of the world.

Sure you will.
We have 9 days left and the more that is donated the bigger and better we will be. This is a non-profit making adventure and every penny will go back into the station ongoing.

Non-profit. :killinme:
Why should The People not have a voice with the same level of technology and communication potential as the mainstream media which denies The People a voice?

:rofl:
We have a fantastic team of media professionals being assembled who are willing to take this station to air for a fraction of the cost of the mainstream media, but with the same standard and quality and with truth as their goal, not corporate profit or the Establishment song sheet.

Professional con artists: Garth, Jamie, Linda, Seany...fucking inbreeds
All we need is the funds to do that and we estimate this to be at least £300,000.

New Goals for the non-profit People's Voice so that we can really make a difference:

AT LEAST £300,000 by July 10th

"All we need is your money, seriously."
Then it won't be just be a voice, it will be a ROAR.

Spare me the dramatization.
Come on - we can do this and the chance will almost certainly never come around again. It is time to grasp it while there is still time to grasp it.

Ahmm... fuck you.
We'll do the work, we'll take the risks, but we need your support to make this happen on a scale that will make the difference.

"We'll take the risks with your money"
HOW BADLY DO THE PEOPLE WANT A VOICE?


What is The People's Voice?

How often is the question asked ‘What can I do?’ in the face of the global descent into Big Brother tyranny and oppression? How often do we hear it said that ‘the people’s voice should be heard’?

Well here is an answer to ‘What can I do?’ – an answer that will also guarantee that the people’s voice will be heard.

I have been communicating secret and suppressed information worldwide for nearly a quarter of a century and I spent nearly 20 years before that working in the mainstream media with newspapers, radio stations and BBC Television. I have vast experience of the corporate and alternative media and I can tell you this:

The mainstream corporate-owned media is NEVER going to tell you the truth or give you information that exposes what is really happening in the world. Corporations and governments are going to expose themselves through a media that they own?

Are you kidding?

This is why the mainstream media does not serve the interests of The People, but those of the corporations and governments that dictate the limits of the content.

The corporate media will never give The People a voice – so we have to give one to ourselves. This is our chance and it’s time to grasp it before the global collapse into economic tyranny and Big Brother oppression slams the door on what remains of human freedom.

We need £100,000 as the very minimum necessary to go to air within months and everything above that will ensure that The People’s Voice will be bigger, better and more effective on day one and the dream can be made a reality on the scale that I envisage.

This is my dream … this is how we go beyond protest and bypass the mainstream media to give people direct access to the microphone and camera while broadcasting and breaking the stories that will give the global population the background to world events that the corporate media censors refuse to investigate.

The People’s Voice would broadcast out of London, but this is a global station. We are all in this together and we must come together, talk together and cooperate together to bring about a global awakening.

We would have programmes every day by presenters in the UK and the United States with other regular programmes featuring presenters and content in Australia/New Zealand, Africa and everywhere else that we can secure quality programming.


What will you broadcast?

I especially want to give a voice to people in the Middle and Near East whose views, on-the-ground knowledge and experiences are ignored by the corporate media. No more silent wars. The potential is endless once we gain access to such a volume of daily airtime.

I want The People’s Voice reporters in media conferences where the rich and powerful will be asked questions about their part in world events that corporate journalists would freak-out at asking. Most of them don’t even know what to ask because they are so unresearched.

Whistleblower insiders and expert researchers in their fields across the world will be given airtime to share their knowledge and there will be on-going phone-ins for people to constantly have the chance to make their comments on what is happening through the day.


Public protests ignored or misrepresented by the corporate media will be given their voice with the most significant of them covered live to allow otherwise silenced people to tell their stories and make their points. We would also be the vehicle to promote these and other events that bring people together in mutual support and dialogue.


We can have an explosive impact if we can raise the funds to launch The People’s Voice on the scale that I want. The mainstream media itself will be challenged by our very existence to start behaving like journalists instead of corporate lapdogs.

The People’s Voice also refers to musicians and other artistic expression and I want to give talented, creative and inventive musicians, comedians and artists a platform they are currently denied to share their talents and insights with a global audience. Regular mass global meditations are another must-do that will bring everyone together on an even deeper level.

The People’s Voice will not do censorship, except within the bounds of libel, and it will not be silenced by intimidation or special interests. We have only two special interests – The People’s Right To Be Heard and The People’s Right To Be Told What They Need To Know.

The People’s Voice will be irreverent to self-appointed authority, impossible to intimidate, and will challenge hour by hour the unfolding tyranny of corporate and government imposition and erosion of freedom.

It is time for The People to speak – here is their microphone.

Fuck you the lot of you con artists.
I really have nothing else to say, after wasting another hour and a half on that last idiocracy, and loosing a few brain cells.... All I can say is eat shit and fucking die already, you manipulative piece of shit.
No more giving the benefit of the doubt. You guys are unbelievable.
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The People's Voice 08 Mar 2014 17:02 #5469

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Wise Haven wrote:
Another major issue is that of "Misrepresentation" Their action of making it a Private Limited Company is at complete odds with their stated aims of it being a community resource - not for profit etc. Very disingenious to say the least and the proper conduct, in that company form would have been to issue shares based on contribution amount.
It should have been set up as a CIC (Community Interest Company) or Company Limited by Guarantee if they really meant it to be a community, non-profit resource.
Their stated "Intentions" never seem to have matched their "Actions" - very telling.
You just made the best post on the subject to my mind.PLC those three letters say all you need to know about these charlatans.
Are we nearly there yet ?
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The People's Voice 08 Mar 2014 17:26 #5470

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Isn't it a few weeks since this set of disreputable twerps were smugly insinuating that people who were unkind about them were going to get a nasty surprise in a few weeks, connected with their legal 'negotiations', or whatever cock-eyed way they expressed it?
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The People's Voice 08 Mar 2014 17:53 #5471

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Gilly wrote:
Isn't it a few weeks since this set of disreputable twerps were smugly insinuating that people who were unkind about them were going to get a nasty surprise in a few weeks, connected with their legal 'negotiations', or whatever cock-eyed way they expressed it?
Yes.
Whats that old saying i'm thinking of ..?......oh yes i remember now....."Empty barrels make the most noise" ;) :D
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The People's Voice 08 Mar 2014 17:55 #5472

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Here yu go folks - our Q+A Perk

https://vimeo.com/88481100

Hope that plays without the password, but in case you need it: perk123

Edit: not making any comments ye because I haven't yet watched it - posted it here first :)

Took him 1 min 20 sec before the first "error". "He is not a director, he is just a volunteer."

A volunteer with a share holding, Dave!
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The People's Voice 08 Mar 2014 18:13 #5473

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Timelord wrote:
Quality Street wrote:
Here yu go folks - our Q+A Perk

https://vimeo.com/88481100

Hope that plays without the password, but in case you need it: perk123

Edit: not making any comments ye because I haven't yet watched it - posted it here first :)

Took him 1 min 20 sec before the first "error". "He is not a director, he is just a volunteer."

A volunteer with a share holding, Dave!

I might be wrong Timelord but I belive he resigned as a director. But even as a volunteer that does not mean that he can't/doesn't have a vested financial interes.
One thing was a bulk purchase of Ickes books to be sold by TPV...allegedly. If true Icke, though only a humble unpaid volunteer he could have had the opportunity to influence a TPV decision in which he will directly or solely benefit from. That purchase in itself could leave TPV in a dodgy financial position.
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Wise Haven wrote:
Timelord wrote:
Quality Street wrote:
Here yu go folks - our Q+A Perk

https://vimeo.com/88481100

Hope that plays without the password, but in case you need it: perk123

Edit: not making any comments ye because I haven't yet watched it - posted it here first :)

Took him 1 min 20 sec before the first "error". "He is not a director, he is just a volunteer."

A volunteer with a share holding, Dave!

I might be wrong Timelord but I belive he resigned as a director. But even as a volunteer that does not mean that he can't/doesn't have a vested financial interes.
One thing was a bulk purchase of Ickes books to be sold by TPV...allegedly. If true Icke, though only a humble unpaid volunteer he could have had the opportunity to influence a TPV decision in which he will directly or solely benefit from. That purchase in itself could leave TPV in a dodgy financial position.

Oh absolutely, but he is still a shareholder of TPV. You can of course be a shareholder and not a director. I believe Sean is the only Director and Our Dave the only shareholder.
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Anyone remember the £10,000 perk to host your own 1 hour show on the first Indiegogo campaign? This has now been removed from the Indiegogo page. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-people-s-voice/x/3494854

However, I know that this was claimed by a Dr Dereka Dodson. I saw her comment on indiegogo about it and posted it on DIF here:
https://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061576082&postcount=1229

We speculated if this was the Dereka Dodson from here: https://www.newrainbowbridge.co.uk/

NewRainbowbridge is one of the TPV sponsors listed on the sponsors page: www.thepeoplesvoice.tv/our-sponsors/ so it is likely the same person. However, I note that she never got her own show (although possibly they negotiated something else - who knows :dunno: ).

What has always interested me is the cheque she posted. If I recall she posted it to a bank account on IOW. I wanted to see if this donation was included in the TPV accounts, as it was never counted within the indiegogo campaign because she couldn't make the payment through there, as paypal wouldn't accept such a large sum. So the original sum raised as shown on the first indiegogo campaign (£300,692) is at least £10,000 more than this.
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Good point Timelord.
As you correctly state - he isn't a director. But as a shareholder with one share, along with Sean, the only other shareholder, also with 1 share, means that any profit from TPV will be split 50/50 between Icke and Sean.
It's not on is it?
This whole project has been a car accident from the start IMO.
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Quality Street wrote:
Anyone remember the £10,000 perk to host your own 1 hour show on the first Indiegogo campaign? This has now been removed from the Indiegogo page. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-people-s-voice/x/3494854

However, I know that this was claimed by a Dr Dereka Dodson. I saw her comment on indiegogo about it and posted it on DIF here:
https://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061576082&postcount=1229

We speculated if this was the Dereka Dodson from here: https://www.newrainbowbridge.co.uk/

NewRainbowbridge is one of the TPV sponsors listed on the sponsors page: www.thepeoplesvoice.tv/our-sponsors/ so it is likely the same person. However, I note that she never got her own show (although possibly they negotiated something else - who knows :dunno: ).

What has always interested me is the cheque she posted. If I recall she posted it to a bank account on IOW. I wanted to see if this donation was included in the TPV accounts, as it was never counted within the indiegogo campaign because she couldn't make the payment through there, as paypal wouldn't accept such a large sum. So the original sum raised as shown on the first indiegogo campaign (£300,692) is at least £10,000 more than this.
I'm looking and waiting for the detailed accounts of TPV which they alllegedly promised to produce at some time this (April 2014 ?) year. Then we can start to do some forensic analysis of what has happened. I'm not holding my breath though.
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The People's Voice 08 Mar 2014 19:01 #5478

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Wise Haven wrote:
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Anyone remember the £10,000 perk to host your own 1 hour show on the first Indiegogo campaign? This has now been removed from the Indiegogo page. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-people-s-voice/x/3494854

However, I know that this was claimed by a Dr Dereka Dodson. I saw her comment on indiegogo about it and posted it on DIF here:
https://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061576082&postcount=1229

We speculated if this was the Dereka Dodson from here: https://www.newrainbowbridge.co.uk/

NewRainbowbridge is one of the TPV sponsors listed on the sponsors page: www.thepeoplesvoice.tv/our-sponsors/ so it is likely the same person. However, I note that she never got her own show (although possibly they negotiated something else - who knows :dunno: ).

What has always interested me is the cheque she posted. If I recall she posted it to a bank account on IOW. I wanted to see if this donation was included in the TPV accounts, as it was never counted within the indiegogo campaign because she couldn't make the payment through there, as paypal wouldn't accept such a large sum. So the original sum raised as shown on the first indiegogo campaign (£300,692) is at least £10,000 more than this.
I'm looking and waiting for the detailed accounts of TPV which they alllegedly promised to produce at some time this (April 2014 ?) year. Then we can start to do some forensic analysis of what has happened. I'm not holding my breath though.

I don't think the accounts promised in april will be 'detailed accounts'. They will be 'quarterly management accounts' - whatever these are?
https://www.thepeoplesvoice.tv/statement-regarding-transparency/

I know nothing about accountancy so perhaps someone on here can explain what these are, how they differ from 'full statutory accounts' which we won't be getting untill the end of next January.

My concern is that with the current negotiations with thier new service provider, this will change the nature and structure of TPV and may even become a new entitity. What will happen to the current accounting promises if this happens?
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The People's Voice 08 Mar 2014 19:37 #5479

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I know nothing about accountancy so perhaps someone on here can explain what these are, how they differ from 'full statutory accounts' which we won't be getting untill the end of next January.
Accountancy firms generally operate on a quarterly basis, so they prepare your accounts with you and try to make sure you're tax efficient on a rolling basis rather than doing it over a longer and less manageable period of time. This won’t be an issue for TPV because they won’t have to pay any tax. I’m not even sure if donations would count as taxable income anyway.

But then your full accounts are due in December / January, but it’s always miles behind the actual date at the time. So, for example, for self-employed people the next time any earnings information is due is December 2014 / January 2015 (I think if I remember rightly the due date is 31st January, 2015), but this will be for the tax year that we’re in now (ie. 2013-2014).

Because TPV has not even been operating for a year at that point, in fact they’d only been on air for 1 month although I assume the business is operable from the date it was set up, which I assume was around June / July, 2013, I’m not sure if they will have to file full accounts for that period.

Also, if donations don’t count as taxable income, which I’m not sure if they do or do not, then it’s unlikely that they would even break the VAT threshold which is just under £80,000 per annum, and they wouldn’t even be legally obliged to submit full accounts AFAIK, they could just self-certify which is far simpler, and would definitely give them net earnings of zero and payable tax of zero. But you won’t see any full accounts until January, 2015.

Actually it says here:

www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/bimmanual/bim41810.htm
voluntary payments or gifts, are not taxable unless they can be attached to a pre-existing source such as a vocation (Beynon v Thorpe [1928] 14TC1 at page 13)

So that would imply that the 400K they had through Indiegogo is not taxable and does not need to be declared as income.

I hope that was remotely helpful and not just baffling and incomprehensible. This is why accountants exist.
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I'm looking and waiting for the detailed accounts of TPV ........................ I'm not holding my breath though.

Very wise! :D
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