thoreau wrote:
Wow I never saw that, did he really? Well legally he is right I suppose, paid for by people who were sold something that never eventuated. OURS. Is he on the board of directors now? I thought he was just a humble presenter..........

£17,974GBP

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Here have a few beers CB it may relax you

is the exact quote from the tpv facebook q&a

I don't want to shove this in peoples faces but....those who have donated to TPV have been ripped off. I know some here at SZ have donated in good faith - and on one hand I admire their community spirit but on the other I despair that honest people are still falling for this snake oil salesmanship.
TPV was set up as a Private Limited Liability Company (Under UK company law) - This should have been the first warning sign. Normally, a company of this type will look for investors who are fully informed of the risks and potential gains in the venture being undertaken and their financial investment is reflected.
However, TPV touted itself, by implied intent and not explicityly, as a "Community Interest Company" and people, naively, donated for the cause.
The fact is - rather than going through this "public donations" farce they could and should have offered people shares in the venture for their cash donations.
As it stands the only people to benefit from this nonsense is DI/Family/Sean and various unemloyable MSM luvvies whether....and here is the kicker....WHETHER IT FAILS OR NOT. True - whether you believe in absolutes or not

Give people shares in it? Are you mad? These people believe in reptiles and evil bankers and goodness knows what else and you're wanting to give them power? All the people needed was a place to voice their opinions and a place that would broadcast verifiable information that the mainstream withhold from everybody. That is what was promised and unfortunately was not delivered. I do remember them saying they could not be a Trust Fund or Foundation because to qualify for those you can not criticize government which was the exact thing they intended to do but there was certainly plenty of other options other than a PLC.

So how do we make SZ a 'co-op' and what shall we 'produce'?

Let's walk the talk eh?

^^^^^ That's a good one lmao.




*wipes tears* ah it is possible I suppose. That's the thing with life isn't it. There's always people in their armchairs criticizing others talking about how they can do a better job but they never get up and prove it. It would be great if a bunch of you got together and tried to put something together in the spirit of a true People's Voice but it wont happen. Egos wont allow it.

crazybeats wrote:
I was thinking more along the lines of cutting one's cloth accordingly.

So what do you support?

Or is everything controlled opposition so you don't have to do anything?

I support doing your own research, finding out about the world, learning to live with how the world really is and try and make the best of it while you can. Try and make as much money as you can, live as nice a life as you can and enjoy it. That's all you can do because things are the way they are and they always will be that way.

crazybeats wrote:

crazybeats wrote:
Well, that is the point, CB. They could have offered shares - and enough people would have taken them up as has been evidenced. But the con was actually more successful because they "Didn't" offer shares. Offering shares would have gone against the "Community Benefit" paradigm and implied a money making intention by DI incorporated.
It's a double blind scam - and Icke and co. pulled it off fantastically.
TPV has only achieved one thing - It has destroyed the trust of the AM consumer and made it massively difficult for a genuine AM organisation to establish itself in the future. This, to my mind, was the goal all along. Secondary goals were/are to divert people into new age dirge instead of focussing on real solutions or issues.
Icke never offered solutions - he only ever offered a point of focus for people who needed to emotionally invest in something that recognised their issues.....and perpetually hold them there - impotent and ineffective forever....

Oh hey hey. I'm a straight man. I'm not like Sean. I don't have smooth creamy textured skin with white bleached teeth and little sly sniggery smile on my face that says herrllo, i'm a little English sounding office boy, mmmmm i wouldn't mind giving you a little hand under the table back in my office, i'm going to teach Jaymie a thing or two aswell. Lets put some Madonna music on so no one hears.

crazybeats wrote:
You are taking the piss now.

That's just how I imagine the conversation going. He wouldn't say hello. He'd say, herrrrlow and then do that creepy look he does with the big bushy eyebrows wiggling and the big white american style teeth shining. Come meet my husband Sinclair, he's completely legal but if anyone asks.............he's Joe Smith from London lol.

Hi everyone. Just wanted to share this latest gem from tpv :/ using disabled kids to incite ppl to give $$$


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I don't post much but I do still follow this thread and others.

I think it's absolutely essential that this thread exists and that people can find it on a web search (e.g. 'alternative to David Icke forum'). This shit needs exposing and purging asap imho - some very vulnerable people are being exploited here and all truth buried - bottom line for me. Sure you'll get folk who only drop in for that 'insight' - but once they see what you're about here if they like the look of the place they'll stick around

I appreciate the philosophy here that all opinions can be aired and debated on whichever thread - but the sliding and disruption is so very obvious. Brilliant stuff posted even just days ago is often 'lost' in a wilderness at times (this is only a criticism of/to highlight the 'folk' who actually do that).

Elissa - on reflection (always a good thing eh?) - I do understand that she wants to eke out enough money to travel and pursue her own 'journey', and part of that seems to depend on showing that she had good content as a presenter via TPV stuff, something to whack on a 'CV'. I also think it's great she appears to be supporting the few shows left at the station that she thinks as true, and understand that she believes it will (to paraphrase) 'pan out as is meant'. Maybe there's something beyond what she's not saying though - nagging doubt there - and that, where she is, it's too large a 'battle' (costs/benefits which I get).

I'm fairly confident she knows it'll fail and more of these 'prize (second rung - at best) puppets' will be exposed.

But I simply can't get past the fact that she describes people there as 'evil' and yet won't say more. Just cannot accept that.

The Spivey interview - she was fucking annoying imo. The camera was on him but it should have been on her (at least cuts between the two) - because it was all about her really, not Spivey.

I hope she wasn't the one who 'forgot' an expensive camera and left it on a train...

Something really doesn't sit right with me here, not sure what. Maybe it was the lines about giving massages (which you'd expect folk to offer something for even if not asked) and then balking at the money (when she has a paypal account people are trying to pay into but that she hasn't yet been bothered to fix - ???). Sorry if this is crude but she brought it up, I wonder if Elissa Hawke does the same with her blowjobs?

Oh and I haven't really followed, but a quick glance shows that the diabolical load of nonsense that is The Banned 'presented' by Gareth Icke is up to its 13th show now (blimey).

Meanwhile anything of any interest on a higher level (Birth of a New Earth, Max Igan - won't get into the dodgy symbolism there but he does speak some sense imo - even 'chummy and ill-researched/hosted' Windows on the World) are left idle.

I stand to be corrected on that but if anyone knows, is The Banned the only continued show 'operating' out of those Wembley studios that the people paid probably over half a million pounds to set up (that they're now ditching)?

electricdreams wrote:
It is hard to know ED - the whole operation has been opaque from the start. I am gobsmacked at the lack of communication from these people considering the only reason TPV existed was because of public donations....the same arrogance we see from the BBC in my opinion. The whole thing has been patronising from start to finish.

electricdreams wrote:
Actually this site should come up high in results on the googles by simply searching 'david icke forum' , no 'alternative' required.

Thats because sean pissed me off a little bit at the time.

Haha! This was posted as a comment to that post linked above.