scaltura wrote:
electricdreams wrote:
I'm a single male who would love to have my own children one day, if circumstances are right, but having seen the Savile stuff for about a year and a half now am still disgusted by this 'single males can adopt stuff'. because now I know the implications and where this is coming from. It's not a case of an in-crowd at all imho - it's either seeing this on the surface or knowing what lies deeper. If you don't, please believe me you're in many ways better off not knowing...but it's up to our own individual consciences whether to start to look into this or not.
I don't blame anyone who chooses not to. The stuff I've learned gives me nightmares at night.
And, much as I would like to, just to make ONE child safe from 'the State' now that they've given me the opportunity (and I will consider it) at the same time I know that by engaging with this 'program' (which absolutely stinks to high heaven for me) I'm seen as endorsing it - and I will
never do that. So, I choose to fight it instead.
Indeed scaltura - once we know what has being on, very very sadly (it's heartbreaking) we realise we definitely cannot automatically trust men (and women - just look at some of the most prominent female MPs and TV personalities like Esther Rantzen who have been necks up to this stuff with Savile and his 'pals'!) who attach themselves to any youth clubs, schools, childrens' charities, school fetes - ANYTHING.
This mostly
all comes from above - as above so below. It trickles down (unlike the money). And they spoon off the victims at the bottom, because that then reassures the public that paedophilia is being dealt with. Occasionally we get a limited hangout when people realise what's been going on for so very long.
And
so many people have woken up to this now, it's not going back in the box until it's all aired, dealt with and resolved.
I understand your revulsion as a single male feeling 'suspected', because I'm in the very same boat, and every aspect of this is repugnant. But the answer isn't to rail against the people who are trying to show what is really going on for me, but rather to realise that now the only way things are going to change is to
help to change them.
Please understand that some of us have just come here having spent a year and a half of our lives (or more) fighting institutional (which reaches throughout society) and establishment paedophilia. Did you know about Edward Heath? One of Margaret Thatcher's closest aides Peter Morrison? How about her great friend and confidant, and also to Prince Philip, Charles and Di, Fergie (etc) Jimmy Savile (I'm sure you'll know that one)? What do you think of the late Lord McAlpine's child nude 'art' painting collection? Have you heard of Sir Anthony Blunt? I could go on and on.
I'm just saying that many of us know so much already about all this, because we've researched it and know just what we're looking at here. You seem interested, so I can only say that if you'd like to know more and genuinely hope to understand (and this extends to everybody - not only here, not 'only on the internet, but everyone) we'll absolutely work with you to share and try to bring us
all along to a deeper understanding, together
some of your post i can agree with , but some i can't
and the second last paragraph i find amusing , as , do you think i have been living on the moon for the past 3 years ?
do you think that you are the only person that knows about some of this stuff , come on , maybe you should take your head out of that thread for a while and see there are other people in the world , other than the 6 people you talk to in the saville thread
let me tell you , you have been posting in a forum called the DAVID ICKE FORUM a man who has been ridiculed for many years , and a man who nobody is going to take notice of anytime soon , but because you are posting in the jimmy thread you are fighting the institution ?
Time for a reality check people
I read quite a bit of the Jimmy Saville thread, and at the time I was a lurker on the DIF.
The DIF had first came to my attention from a comment left by someone on a mainstream news story, which was about Jimmy Saville.
Let me tell you something, you are very wrong in saying that posting on a forum doesn't change anything.
It does.
It completely changed my whole worldview about child abuse.
I learnt so much about the system, and about the crime against children that have been going on in plain site all these years.
I always knew the system was imperfect, and that something wasn't quite right. Little did I realise how little understanding I had of the whole setup.
That thread completely changed my understanding in some huge fundamental ways, and being someone who is a position to effect change (we all are), it's helped a lot in how I approach things. There's certainly no more blind trust.
It's made me see and think about child abuse in a very different way.
I don't think I'm the only one who this happened to.
I have no doubt that the information in those threads has been a gold mine in terms of the average person understanding the issues we all face in protecting children and vulnerable people anywhere in the world. The elephant in the room has been exposed for what it is.
To me that's as noble as it gets.
Things will never be the same for a lot of people who read have read or contributed to those threads. That is change right there.
That can only be a good thing considering you require knowledge first to effect change, and for that fundamental paradigm shift.
Without knowledge, how do you change anything? How do you help the victims or potential victims?
Those threads are not just about knowledge, they are also about shining light onto the truth, and bringing the hidden into the open.
Evil festers and flourishes in the dark. To expose it is one of the best thing one can do.
Those threads have helped to bring some light into the situation, and I was so touched by some of the victims of abuse who came to post on the forum tsk tsk it wasn't just a thread on the Internet for them. It was their life story.
I have the utmost regard for the posters and all those who have gathered and continue to gather information in order to expose the truth.
Some of the threads make for some harrowing read, and I can't imagine what's its like to be part of the information gathering process.
It must be one of the most difficult thing to do.
I thank all those who contributed, and still contribute, and this is said sincerely.
You have shone the light on a very important issue.
Long may it continue.
Somewhere out there, you've probably saved someone's child from a lifetime of pain or worse.
That can only be a good thing.
about a Deputy to the Dutch Ministry of Security and Justice who's whistleblowing 
about Demmink. The article says that Demmink frequented Warwick Spinks Pinocchio Bar 
in Prague and that the top people in Dutch justice knew. Plus the timing of Ian Puddick saying big news is coming SOOOOOON about child-raping MP from Brittan (or thereabouts). If Demmink falls, so will Betty Birthmark. 
Let's get ready to rumble!
You using the wrong lures on this one.
