I feel ill after reading this on Chris Spivey's blog:

Edited: taken the link out as so many people have this the info is wrong (ie rego plates). I don't want to be responsible for spreading info around that is possibly (probably??) untrue.

Babs wrote: "The website is temporarily unable to service your request as it exceeded resource limit. Please try again later"

feather wrote:
I just tried again and the link works.............

The link works for me too.

Is there anything we can do to spread the word? Probably Facebook where a few people will delete you because they prefer fluffy stuff. Somebody on that thread said you could print it off and then what? Distribute it around the town, but would anybody read it? Send a copy to your local MP who will no doubt ignore it???

Are you guys who were involved in the Anders thread going to start one up over here as this thread isn't the same.

Working for me now too.

It would have just been a peak in site traffic issue.

I hope all the posters here can stop posting about each others behaviour and stick to the facts or opinions of the topic, or have a wee laugh from time to time, without taking offence, otherwise we'll need a thread for discussing posters behaviour, and then a thread for discussing the posters behaviour thread, it appears to boil down to, eee gee oh.

Babs wrote: The hard thing with this stuff is trying to take a step back and look at what is presented as objectively as possible.

What Chris has published there is essentially just lists of names and locations.

Chris himself is less than fully confident of their veracity.

"Helen has multiple personality’s." [sic]

"Never the less, as far as I can make out Helen G – whom the report is based around – is a victim of Mind Control, and subsequently, she was forced into taking part in Satanic Rituals."

"The report appears to have been compiled by the Ritual Abuse Information Network & Support (RAINS) and had – as far as I can work out – been trying to help Helen."

All I'm advocating is a bit of personal caution before people find themselves in deep shit.
If there's guilty parties on that list, I hope they get nailed to the wall with blunt nails but I don't want to see well-meaning innocents battered in the process.

Babs wrote:
I had hoped that we could, but not sure whether it would be seen favourably here. Personally I see nothing wrong in the odd bit of 'back patting' when a major piece of dot to dot joining has been achieved. Credit where credit is due.

We certainly didn't come here to cause trouble, we hoped to be accepted in the group as new members working towards the same goal of exposure.

In all my years of knocking around webgroups I'd never encountered a problem with the concept of "it's one thing to speculate and point fingers it's quite another to provide evidence to support those allegations" that is, until I encountered DIF.

I found it fascinating at first and then I realised those gossipy "he said, she said" was one of the threads styles which drew crowds and drove site traffic.

Then you look at Ickes work and think "well if we had to insist on actual evidence there wouldn't be much left here to pick on"

Interestingly though, make allegations or speculate about how TPV is being run and suddenly we're talking about "Sean is consulting with libel lawyers."

No-one here gives a damn about site figures or is selling a product.
I mention this stuff because it is real, it can ruin you and strip you of every asset you possess and I give a damn enough about that to say so.

Ok. There is no objection on my part to anyone starting a thread on any subject. The institutionalised child abuse subject is an important one and i do commend the work that has been done thus far.
My objection was and is to the attitude of some posters to another member of the forum.
However as gilly pointed out, scal can give as good as he gets. I'm sure we all can. In this instance i think he was treated badly however.

I can see that no-one thinks they acted badly so there's no point me going on about it. But my perception of some of you, has changed. That's a shame.

A dif hangover is how i see it tbh.

Blue_Tackler wrote: What was this intended to mean?

Babs wrote:

It's not nice to read, no.

But some of the entries there made me suspicious tbh, it doesn't all sit right.

I've just checked the 2 vehicle registration numbers mentioned on page 5.

Both show as never registered - those cars with those plates (although one says 'possible') appear to have never existed.


I'm not saying there's no truth in any of it.

dubmeup wrote:
Idk I'm sure we can come up with something

Erm, I wanted to post a lot of shite because I was drunk but managed to suppress that desire by posting my intention.

That's the best I can do to answer dubmeup, I hope it will do.

Does anyone have any evidence of Icke stating that he is 'Apollyon' or is that a rumour spun by Gorilla 199?

Blue_Tackler wrote: it's an interesting answer for sure.

Blue_Tackler wrote:
Not sure what it has to to do with this thread...but it is his way of saying lucifer worship from a christian perspective in my opinion, he based on some of the symbology that icke has used.

Thanks Goldenprince but is there any evidence that you know of of Icke claiming to not be the son of god as in Jesus but claiming to be Apollyon?

The reason It's in the thread is because of the satanic connections that we hear about relating to child abuse, Ickes project is TPV, and he's a possible candidate of Satanism if he refers to himself as Apollyon (the devil).

I'm trying to find out if Icke ever stated that to be his thoughts.

unmasked wrote:
I agree unmasked, as much as i want to see children safe and encourage others who are investigating all this, in my opinion it needs doing from a objective level, as it is a highly emotive subject and when you invest in that emotionally then it can reach a point that all kinds of aspersions are cast in what can then become a wide trawl net, that could potentially leave those who run this site at a significant legal disadvantage to continue...

It does not mean again in my opinion, that people cannot research, as it is natural to want to save the children who have suffered and are suffering immensely because of CSA, but it needs to be weighed against a objective level of investigation/research or it leaves this forum and others vulnerable, from usually the very ones who are causing such harm, as they know no evidence is forthcoming, so they then get to hide behind a legal barrier, which in turn then puts the children at a even greater risk, as then nobody is able to scrutinise without fear of legal recriminations...

For example, the "evidence" stated above on that website set my instincts off, it just does not sit with me right no matter what, i even had a few quick searches to cross reference, and nothing came up,

And i just think it has yet another "disclosure trap" written all over it, which in turn then prevents true investigation into "actual" truth as they just use such patsys to dismiss everyone, even the Sra itself has masked more Csa, as it was made to look like lefty loonys chasing demon-worshippers in the 90's, this is what i would be wary of here....as this kind of info if genuine does not come out unless those at the top want to destroy someone further down the ladder....and just putting names on a piece of paper without any true substance is far from evidence in my opinion.

i just think we need to be careful not to fall for the constant barrage of psychological engineering, that is all about sending the message of "absolute" control of the system, as those at the top seek that, as it creates despondency and also causes a degree of psychological trauma in itself by bombarding you with horrific images in your minds of what they are doing to children, and adults across this world, which they are showing they get away with it....which again is to project their omnipotence to you, which leaves many angry and disturbed by what they have learnt, hence pulling you down into a sense of powerlessness, and disillusionment over what can be done

Hence why you need to keep your spirit up, remain positive and objective & unemotional,as that is the area they are working on to illicit response, then you will stay right out of the quagmire of emotionally-driven psychological mind-games being pumped out, and be able to do the good you seek to do.....that is my tuppence worth.

Blue_Tackler wrote:
HI Blue, i personally would never have heard anything like that, i know that gorilla is "fixed" on saying it constantly, that fake freemasonic pic put me off taking any notice of him, but did make me think how it benefited icke to have that done, like i say i think he says it to do with the symbolic imagery of icke on his shows/dvds/books but i have never heard icke say he is appollyon..