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Guevarista wrote:
Again!

WTF is wrong with you today guev? Was that neccessary ffs!

oioioi wrote:
This!

If someone feels they ain't getting enough f'in attention then they are free to use the freely available service that oi has pointed out above.

I'm afraid that currently we don't have flashing neon lights to adorn your named blogs but this is currently being discussed behind closed doors for those of you who clearly need that little fucking added touch!

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/environ...cleshow/17952195.cms

'Global warming has stalled since 1998: UK Met office'

lol....

And this is supposed to be the most important problem we face.

psketti wrote:
Abs is gonna blog?

A girl can dream...

psketti wrote: He made one good post sharing information which I looked at, since then he's just been on the wind up with WUB.
I made clear this thread is about climate change, not conspiracy or economic theories, i'm sure there are already a bundle of threads of inane CT about the GW Conspiracy, if there aren't why doesn't andy start one?

Guevarista wrote:
Never asked for a running commentary... just asked if the 'stupid cunt' part was neccessary

psketti wrote:
You really miss using that smiley dont you...

andyh wrote: Wow a headline what do you think one headline based on one guy from the Met Office proves?
Margins of errors? could the conservative met office forecast be wrong?

The fact is you have a belief, ie that AGW is not important, irrelevant, a conspiracy, it's clear because you've obviously already made up your mind, and try and use arguments you think deniers have won with before.
Therefore when I made this thread, which is not for your or my own personal opinions, but for the collection of evidence required to make an informed opinion, you set about trying to derail it, tried to accuse me of various things personally.

In any case, this winter has been the warmest I've experienced for a fair while, last year was very warm aswell, infact I can remember as far back as 2007/08/09 these were all fairly warm winters, my old man used to tell me about Winters and huge snow drifts in the UK during the 70's and 80's I remember lot's of snow as a kid through the 90's, so common sense and personal experience tells me the overall climate is changing.

Guevarista wrote: You might notice that I have barely posted in this thread at all, despite the fact that I completely disagree with you.

I think it's already been explained to you that if you post a thread you can't dictate that people aren't allowed to post in it and disagree with you. There is no end of evidence that contradicts the idea that carbon dioxide is the driving force behind 'global warming', or indeed that 'global warming' is even taking place. Most people on the forum disagree with your view on the subject and consider 'climate change' to be a farcical, completely unscientific theory that is not even fully supported by actual conditions in the real world, let alone any convincing underpinning science.

There are literally dozens of books questioning the so-called 'consensus' on climate change. Literally hundreds, if not thousands, of scientists have come forward to question whether it is really occurring. Some of the people involved in the IPCC reports have actually asked for their evidence and name to be pulled from them owing to the deeply unsatisfactory nature of the way they were run. There is no end of evidence to suggest that 'climate science' is quackery, and not based on real world conditions, or anything like a full understanding of the climate.

In fact, this is only being so heavily pushed because it provides the perfect opportunity to micro-manage the population and create an even more strongly cemented two-tier, neo-feudal state on a global level. It's also being pushed because this is another fantastic opportunity for the financial sector to set up a massive carbon trading market, which will not benefit anyone other than a surfeit of already incredibly wealthy banksters in the slightest. It certainly won't help the planet in any way. Even the Guardian, which uncritically supports anything that can be considered 'green' has criticised the so-called carbon offsets scheme:

www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/jun/...change.climatechange

This is just one example, they've criticised it again since then. You can call this a 'conspiracy' if you want. I just call it powerful vested interests acting in their own interest, as usual.

I have resisted posting any of this stuff, which is just a tiny fraction of all of the evidence and arguments that can be put forward against 'climate change' orthodoxy, which I am perfectly entitled to do, and which most people on the site will agree with, to avoid any needless conflict or argument. If you want to believe CO2 is going to be the death of all of us, good luck to you. A lot of people agree with you. But it comes to something when not only do you reserve the right to believe whatever you want, but you also think that no-one should be able to challenge it! If you want to post somewhere where most people agree that carbon dioxide is a deadly threat to the human race, post on the Guardian website, for example, where virtually everyone blindly accepts the 'climate change' orthodoxy and supports every single government measure related to it no matter how draconian they are. You can't expect people to blindly accept it here, because most people don't.

wake_up_bomb wrote: So why did you think it would be more productive/constructive to "resist" posting, "evidence and arguments" from scientists, or so on?
And confine your input to calling this thread a waste of time on pg2, asking for it to be moved out of the news section on pg1, and posting a dystopic propaganda video series on pg3?

Guevarista wrote: I'm happy to post evidence if you want. You previously stated that this is the complete opposite of what you wanted.

I didn't call the thread a waste of time, I stated that trying to fully understand the climate is a waste of time because it's beyond the scope of human understanding.

If you want to read about the background to the videos, you can read about them here:

www.forumforthefuture.org/project/megacities-move/overview

I'm really not interested in an argument, all this conflict is quite boring to me. I'm merely pointing out that you can't dictate what are acceptable and unacceptable opinions.

wake_up_bomb wrote: Right but trying to understand the economy like yourself is?
haha
What don't you understand about this:"information or stories about CC", specifically about climate change, not bullshit propaganda about megacities ok

Guevarista wrote: It's possible to understand the economy because we can measure very accurately all of the variables that contribute to it, and it's perfectly possible to understand the relationships between these variables. The economy is not an abstraction, it's perfectly measurable. This does not apply to the climate for which there are many variables we either cannot account for, cannot measure accurately, do not understand the relationships between them and other variables, and quite possibly do not even know exist. Would you like me to post all of the articles criticising climate models, and stating that they don't represent reality? Here's one example:

www.climatescienceinternational.org/inde...&view=article&id=521

The videos I posted are directly related to climate change, as most of the material within them is being justified due to the mortal threat that climate change supposedly presents. Exactly the same with the 'carbon market'.

As I've said previously, you cannot set up a thread and then dictate what opinions are acceptable within it.

Guevarista wrote:
Its agreed by all concerned including the IPCC that there has been no warming since 1998 and they don't expect anymore until at least 2017.
So I stand by what I referred to earlier which was your own insistence that this is somehow the most important 'problem' the world faces today

Keep swerving all you like, these are climate scientists and it IS official info

Guevarista wrote:
The propaganda you mention there is precisely what is coming from the green lobby right now...

Guevarista wrote:
Not AS important as dozens of other issues that are happening RIGHT NOW and causing hundreds of thousands of deaths RIGHT NOW.
I outlined those issues further up the thread, you ofc ignored it altogether chose instead to whine about how this thread is somehow about your own specific agenda which is itself questioned by the very same scientists who are putting the info out there.

Its the politicians and people like yourself who are making it out to be 'THE MOST IMPORTANT PROBLEM WE FACE TODAY'.

andyh wrote: This is yet another example of the untruths and flat out lies you tell, "Marxism is a conspiracy", "Mondragon is anarchist""LWA's are the same as RWA's", "the american Libertarians are the best choice for voters".
You talk out your arse from outdated CT positions and when people prove you wrong you behave like a cunt.
www.newscientist.com/article/dn14527-cli...stopped-in-1998.html

Actually read it, it's quite ironic that you justify people retaining their superficial, CT denier position by adhering to superficial data sets, now I would have liked to conduct this thread in the interests of science, without all the needless and pointless bickering that goes on all over teh world regarding this issue, but you seem to think as with other subjects you're ignorant about that you have something worthwhile to say, so go ahead, put the thread and the entire subject of Man Made Global warming to bed, the floor is yours:

Guevarista wrote:
It is in bed already.
The earlier disaster scenario predictions didn't come true, the warming has been lower than expected or just not visible at all in some datasets, CO2 lagged behind warming from earlier periods which were shown as examples that were 'intended' to show correlation between warming and CO2 increase as cause of it when the total reverse was true!!

And you continue yourself to state that this AGW or 'climate change' as they now prefer to call it (lol) is the 'MOST IMPORTANT PROBLEM FACING HUMANITY' ffs you sound like Tony Blair, he had the same attitude about global warming as he had about Iraq.