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Climate Change 09 Jan 2013 17:45 #121

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So all the scientists are wasting their time, I think it's you who's in bed personally.
The earlier disaster scenario predictions didn’t come true, the warming has been lower than expected or just not visible at all in some datasets, CO2 lagged behind warming from earlier periods which were shown as examples that were ‘intended’ to show correlation between warming and CO2 increase as cause of it when the total reverse was true!!

Fair play, i suppose to sustain your belief you must have to ignore websites like this:
ocean.nationalgeographic.com/ocean/criti...ea-temperature-rise/
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Guevarista wrote:
So all the scientists are wasting their time, I think it's you who's in bed personally.
The earlier disaster scenario predictions didn’t come true, the warming has been lower than expected or just not visible at all in some datasets, CO2 lagged behind warming from earlier periods which were shown as examples that were ‘intended’ to show correlation between warming and CO2 increase as cause of it when the total reverse was true!!

Fair play, i suppose to sustain your belief you must have to ignore websites like this:
ocean.nationalgeographic.com/ocean/criti...ea-temperature-rise/

Since 1998 how many people died because of this AGW stuff?
And were they overworked newspaper reporters?
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Climate Change 09 Jan 2013 17:56 #123

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Again with the straw man questions.
As the country experienced its warmest year on record, coverage of climate change on major U.S. television networks and across media outlets dropped in 2012.

Worldwide climate coverage decreased by two percent between 2011 and 2012, according to The Daily Climate, marking the fewest number of published stories since 2009.

Despite the decline, they note, "Stories linking climate change to sea-rise, weird weather and other events showed an all-time high." Newspaper editorial boards also gave more attention to climate change in 2011.

Along with being the warmest year on record, 2012 was also second only to 1998 as the most extreme. Climate Central notes, "In response to global warming, some extreme events, such as heat waves, are already becoming more likely to occur and more intense."

Researchers have shown that further delays in international action will make climate change goals more expensive and then eventually impossible.
www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/09/us-cli...-2012_n_2434290.html
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Climate Change 09 Jan 2013 18:03 #124

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Halting climate change will require "a fundamental and disruptive overhaul of the global energy system" to eradicate harmful carbon dioxide emissions, not just stabilize them, according to new findings by UC Irvine and other scientists.
In a Jan. 9 paper in Environmental Research Letters, UC Irvine Earth system scientist Steve Davis and others take a fresh look at the popular "wedge" approach to tackling climate change outlined in a 2004 study by Princeton scientists Stephen Pacala and Robert Socolow. They had argued that the rise of dangerous CO2 could be stopped -- using existing technologies -- by dividing the task into seven huge but manageable "slices."

Davis and his co-authors conclude that while the approach has great merit, it's not working, and it's not enough.

"We have enormous respect for that earlier work," he said. "But almost a decade after 'wedges' made a solution to climate change seem doable, we now know that holding emissions steady, difficult as it would be, is literally a half-measure -- and one that we have yet to take. Our emissions are not being held constant or even slowing; they're growing faster than ever."

The 2004 plan involved such tactics as doubling the number of nuclear reactors worldwide and increasing automotive fuel efficiency from an average of 30 mpg to 60 mpg. Each "wedge," if accomplished, would after 50 years avoid 1 billion tons of carbon per year -- and seven wedges combined, Pacala and Socolow estimated, would prevent the worst effects of climate change.

However, Davis and fellow authors of the new paper calculated that as many as 31 wedges could be required to stabilize Earth's climate at safe CO2 levels and that sharp reductions in total emissions would have to begin much sooner than half a century from now.
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130107100053.htm
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Guevarista wrote:
Again with the straw man questions.
As the country experienced its warmest year on record, coverage of climate change on major U.S. television networks and across media outlets dropped in 2012.

Worldwide climate coverage decreased by two percent between 2011 and 2012, according to The Daily Climate, marking the fewest number of published stories since 2009.

Despite the decline, they note, "Stories linking climate change to sea-rise, weird weather and other events showed an all-time high." Newspaper editorial boards also gave more attention to climate change in 2011.

Along with being the warmest year on record, 2012 was also second only to 1998 as the most extreme. Climate Central notes, "In response to global warming, some extreme events, such as heat waves, are already becoming more likely to occur and more intense."

Researchers have shown that further delays in international action will make climate change goals more expensive and then eventually impossible.
www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/09/us-cli...-2012_n_2434290.html

How is it a straw man question?
AGW IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PROBLEM FACING HUMANITY TODAY right? :p

So...how many people have died as a direct result of AGW since 1998?

If millions have died due to starvation and lack of clean drinking water would any sane person not therefore conclude that sanitation,water and food are the most important problems facing humanity?

Unless ofc because they're black people they're not part of humanity right?
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Climate Change 09 Jan 2013 18:30 #126

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In 2007, the Fourth Assessment Report (AR4) of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) predicted that global warming could cause sea levels to rise between 7 and 23 inches by the end of the century. A new study published this week says the actual levels of sea rise could be much higher — up to three feet higher.

The consequences of sea level rise at that proportion would be "horrible," the study's co-author told NBC News. Millions of people living in coastal areas would be displaced and mega-cities such as New York City and Tokyo would need to spend billions of dollars to improve their infrastructure to avoid flooding.

The study was published Jan. 6 in the journal Nature Climate Change.
the reality is you've made yourself out to be ill informed in this thread twice now, with the stupid old Ice cube in a glass bull and the misunderstanding about the melting temperatures of pourous ice ;)

But because you create this illusion of being informed, by singing from the CT song sheet, you can promote your reactionary, and obscure right wing economic theories most times unchallenged.
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Now your resorting to the Bjorn tactic of diverting the whole subject of discussion to African poverty, you really are a cunt.

It's a disgraceful tactic tbh but you've consistently shown yourself to have no shame here imo.
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Guevarista wrote:
In 2007, the Fourth Assessment Report (AR4) of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) predicted that global warming could cause sea levels to rise between 7 and 23 inches by the end of the century. A new study published this week says the actual levels of sea rise could be much higher — up to three feet higher.

The consequences of sea level rise at that proportion would be "horrible," the study's co-author told NBC News. Millions of people living in coastal areas would be displaced and mega-cities such as New York City and Tokyo would need to spend billions of dollars to improve their infrastructure to avoid flooding.

The study was published Jan. 6 in the journal Nature Climate Change.
the reality is you've made yourself out to be ill informed in this thread twice now, with the stupid old Ice cube in a glass bull and the misunderstanding about the melting temperatures of pourous ice ;)

But because you create this illusion of being informed, by singing from the CT song sheet, you can promote your reactionary, and obscure right wing economic theories most times unchallenged.

Ahh so ice that is present in sea water does raise water levels eh? Eureka :D
Oh and w.antarctica has gone up 2celsius so we're all immediately doomed and the sea will rise several foot overnight, panic!!!

Cos this is 'THE MOST IMPORTANT PROBLEM FACING HUMANITY' right? :p
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Guevarista wrote:
Now your resorting to the Bjorn tactic of diverting the whole subject of discussion to African poverty, you really are a cunt.

It's a disgraceful tactic tbh but you've consistently shown yourself to have no shame here imo.

But AGW is THE MOST IMPORTANT PROBLEM FACING HUMANITY right?
You did ask for examples and I gave them.

You think that this is all about 'tin foil hat conspiracy theory' right? Yet all I seek to point out is that there are greater problems facing humanity.
Its yourself who continues the denial :) As long as you do, you'll continue to look like a gert muppet.

Cunt 3rd time btw :D
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Climate Change 09 Jan 2013 18:42 #130

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Like I said you're an idiot who think's he's right about everything.
You think you know what Marxism is after reading a Pamphlet about Communism 20 years ago, you're a sleeper.
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Like I said you're an idiot who think's he's right about everything.
You think you know what Marxism is after reading a Pamphlet about Communism 20 years ago, you're a sleeper.

And you're someone who helps collect tax to pay bankers. Evidently this is happening and everything you say and do here shills for it.
Ever been a paid up union member? You haven't have you?

So, back OT, how is AGW 'THE MOST IMPORTANT PROBLEM FACING HUMANITY RIGHT NOW'.

If you'd care to explain how this is more important than millions of people dying all round the world right now, not to mention the economic crises which simply exist to give bankers bailouts and welfare while the people suffer yet more under austerity while at the same time being asked to pay for this mysterious AGW thats not happening anything like as fast as originally envisioned and has already had its named changed to 'climate change' , the whole time while politicians take huge salaries and golden handshakes and brown envelopes and end up working for the very same corporations they serve both during and after leaving office..I'd love to see it tbh.

You don't have an answer ofc because it's obviously not the biggest problem facing humanity right now is it? :)
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Climate Change 09 Jan 2013 19:46 #132

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What is happening here is a new religious movement using all forms of energy, humans included, to create a new global reserve currency, itself backed up, in the form of carbon taxes, thought up eon's ago when the CAT, the exhaust monster was unleashed into the globally and regulated paradigm of everything that breaths and converts cold air into hot air.

However, there is a double edged sword to contend with and going on here.

Those that own both the raw materials/fuels, also own most of the main banks, that will be trading in their own dirty policies/carbon footprints the whole uses to function, see the picture yet??

Does anyone know who owns the shares/majority via treatese of the coal, oil, gas, wind, water, etc, why the Rothschilds, recently purchasing the worlds largest coal mine in South America.

I don't expect anyone to stop arghing and to look to where and who the men without hats put their money, after all where there's muck, there's the money double and new religion.

While everyone is fighting over the lie, those funding it are laughing all the way to their own banks.

Wake up, those who never wanted to listen in lessons at Leys Cambridge.

The words is out, try not to fuel the fires with your energy, the forked tongue neutrals are feeding off of your energy.

Beam me up scottie.
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you're off your fucking trolley aswell.
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Guevarista wrote:
you're off your fucking trolley aswell.

Were you bottle fed?
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Climate Change 09 Jan 2013 23:38 #136

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oioioi wrote:
Guevarista wrote:
you're off your fucking trolley aswell.

Were you bottle fed?

He still is :D
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Climate Change 10 Jan 2013 08:05 #137

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Guevarista wrote:
you're off your fucking trolley aswell.
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Maybe I am old chap, but it was minus five here last night, a bottle of water froze inside my workshop on the bench near the window, I tell you, we could do with some of that global warming their all going on about, when it snows next week I will ne thinking of you for sure.

When I think about it, my freind in Sapporo could do with some heat to melt the few feet of snow they have right now.

Take the red pill.
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I am not a scientist and it is a topic that never really interested me too much at school etc. I have recently started to become more interested in science and since I am new to it I will be keeping it simple in responding to this. Obviously climate has always "changed" because we have had an ice age etc. The fact that the earth cools and warms naturally however does not mean that we don`t impact the climate.

When people who make their money from pumping crap into the air tell you to fear the people trying to make you become greener then you have a level field to examine the climate itself. Obviously both sides have financial interests in pollution or conservation.

I found this clip interesting because he mentions studying other planets etc.



Watching this video told me about this guy James Hansen who talks about the denial here and has a good idea regarding tax.



and finally Bill Nye talks about the difference between weather and climate.



These are all fairly basic videos but like I said i am not a science person.

NASA are science people.


climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
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