And you can emoy your misses at around 160.00 a week for book keeping against tax, correct me if I'm wrong, if everyone went self employed, the government would have a pretty big problem on their hands, they might not get paid anything at all, as the people police their labour as itshould be, penny will drop soon enough, lol.

andyh wrote: Fuel duties, Council Tax, stamp duties, tobacco duty, vehicle excise duty, capital gains tax, inheritance tax, beer and cider duties, wine duties and spirits duties, VAT on food being proposed, Carbon Tax is the offing...did I miss anything?

Most of those can be avoided if you don't smoke, drink or drive, the others too and legally if you know how. The council tax could be scrapped if comunities policed themselves like the Russians did throughout history. If enough people billed the government back as PLC's looking after their own interests.

The governments know if they push the people too far they would walk, but we are way off yet.

Plc - Peoples Liberation Council.

The Apprentice wrote:
I couldn't agree more and have been saying this myself for ages.
This is why I approve of mondragon because its large scale opportunity for people to shaft the system.

The mondragon crowd have their own welfare system that is directly managed by them and not the govt.

The govt takes in a pile of money mostly from the working and middle class and then pisses away huge chunks of it on defense (read bringing peace and democracy to brown people) and bailing out bankers and big business, providing education that just gets worse with each year that passes and that needs people to start borrowing money to 'pay' for it (despite ALREADY having done so), an NHS system that gets worse with each passing year and slowly demands people start paying for it (AGAIN despite having already 'paid' for it), providing infrastructure and then AGAIN demanding people start paying ever increasing amounts for it, bin taxes, council tax, water bills...blaah blaaah on and on it fucking goes and on and on people fucking vote for these fucking dipshit morons and on and on they go trying to justify this fucking insanity and on and on I go watching them act like such complete tits and ffs...


/goes off to cool down...

By comparing reconstructions of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) concentrations and sea level over the past 40 million years, researchers based at the National Oceanography Centre, Southampton have found that greenhouse gas concentrations similar to the present (almost 400 parts per million) were systematically associated with sea levels at least nine metres above current levels.
The study determined the ‘natural equilibrium’ sea level for CO2 concentrations ranging between ice-age values of 180 parts per million and ice-free values of more than 1,000 parts per million

Jan. 6, 2013 — Future sea level rise due to the melting of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets could be substantially larger than estimated in Climate Change 2007, the Fourth Assessment Report of the IPCC, according to new research from the University of Bristol.
The study, published January 6 in Nature Climate Change, is the first of its kind on ice sheet melting to use structured expert elicitation (EE) together with an approach which mathematically pools experts' opinions. EE is already used in a number of other scientific fields such as forecasting volcanic eruptions.

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130102104945.htm
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130106145743.htm

andyh wrote:

How’s this for an idea, its a bit like the dragons, if we are heading towards a digital monetary system, what is to stop the masses from donating their labour for zero percent digital returns instead of the funny money we percieve as working for us. All it would take is a desperate enough populous to turn around and side with the farmers and land owners to eet the ball rolling, digitally it could be done on a single computer server.

Could be done, make the tech work for those contracting together, I could see both systems running side by side competing for the labour market.

Everyone here in the know could start the ball rolling.

By comparing reconstructions of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) concentrations and sea level over the past 40 million years, researchers based at the National Oceanography Centre, Southampton have found that greenhouse gas concentrations similar to the present (almost 400 parts per million) were systematically associated with sea levels at least nine metres above current levels.

The Apprentice wrote:
Well that is basically what a LETS timeshare scheme is, credits are kept by one person or a small group in the community on one computer.
If you do work for someone then its logged and time credits come off that persons account and onto yours.

I've no issue with digital money tbh, my issue is with who has the right to print it, charge for it and dick with it.
If you're the banker in monopoly and you do that then the other players will immediately cry cheat, lol
The real issue with digital is that there will be no way of knowing about the cheating and the scale of it once the economy goes digital, that is a real and present danger imho. It will allow for control and corruption on a scale never before seen. We'll probably see a move away from govt to the private sector for control from then onwards, worldcorp (tm).

Guevarista wrote:
I'd like to know which came first, the CO2 or the warming.
And if the CO2 lagged behind the warming then just WTF caused the warming?
Also if the CO2 lagged behind the warming then why bother to show the stats at all as 'proof' that CO2 causes warming during that period??

The answer is ofc none of the scientists involved said this at all, the media did and Al Gore did.
Consequently millions of other egits do aswell.

In the 1820s Fourier calculated that an object the size of the Earth, and at its distance from the Sun, should be considerably colder than the planet actually is if warmed only by the effects of incoming solar radiation. He examined various possible sources of the additional observed heat in articles published in 1824[13] and 1827.[14] While he ultimately suggested that interstellar radiation might be responsible for a large portion of the additional warmth, Fourier's consideration of the possibility that the Earth's atmosphere might act as an insulator of some kind is widely recognized as the first proposal of what is now known as the greenhouse effect.[15]

Guevarista wrote:


You're forgetting its still way below zero there
See how easily you just got brain fucked?

andyh wrote: Far from "getting fucked" it always makes me chuckle when you and your friends do the Netanyahu routine:

"somebody drew a picture so anything I say must be right "

Scientists in the Arctic are warning that this summer's record-breaking melt is part of an accelerating trend with profound implications.

Norwegian researchers report that the sea ice is becoming significantly thinner and more vulnerable.

Last month, the annual thaw of the region's floating ice reached the lowest level since satellite monitoring began, more than 30 years ago.

It is thought the scale of the decline may even affect Europe's weather.

The melt is set to continue for at least another week - the peak is usually reached in mid-September - while temperatures here remain above freezing.
'Unprecedented'

The Norwegian Polar Institute (NPI) is at the forefront of Arctic research and its international director, Kim Holmen, told the BBC that the speed of the melting was faster than expected.

"It is a greater change than we could even imagine 20 years ago, even 10 years ago," Dr Holmen said.
"And it has taken us by surprise and we must adjust our understanding of the system and we must adjust our science and we must adjust our feelings for the nature around us."

Faster and Faster

Conditions in the Arctic change dramatically through the seasons. In the depths of winter, the Earth’s tilt puts the Arctic in 24 hour-a-day darkness. Temperatures, cold year round, plunge even lower. The sea surface freezes over. At the height of summer, the opposite tilt puts the Arctic in 24 hour-a-day sunlight. While it’s a cold cold place even at these times, the constant sunshine, warmer air, and influx of warm waters from further south serve to melt the ice. The ice cap usually starts shrinking in March, and then reaches its smallest area in mid-September, before cooling temperatures and shorter days start the water freezing and the ice cap growing once again.

When scientists and reporters talk about an ice-free Arctic, they’re usually speaking of the Arctic in summer, and especially in September, when ice coverage reaches its minimum.

The amount of ice left at that minimum has indeed been plunging. In 1980, the ice shrank down to just under 8 million square kilometers before rebounding in the fall. This year’s minimum extent of 3.4 million kilometers is less than half of what we saw in 1980. Strikingly, two thirds of the loss of ice has happened in the 12 years since 2000. The ice is receding, and the process, if anything, appears to be accelerating.

Sea ice doesn't contribute to sea level rises....ever seen ice cubes melt in a glass and the level not rise?



Keep trying...

andyh wrote: Trying what, to defend a straw position you have designated me?
This is a thread for the collection of information pertaining to climate change, please kindly desist from trying to derail it

Guevarista wrote:
Its a thread for collection of ONLY info that suits your agenda as you mentioned earlier

andyh wrote: SO what?
Why does that infuriate you you stupid cunt?