Guevarista wrote:
In order of doing this calculus, we would have to completely remove the influence of the sun.

Because she it due to wake up quite soon.

We can all talk sense until the cows come home though... what's it gonna change?

The Apprentice wrote:
Working together to achieve harmonization of ideologies and politics across the board.
The compromise for a global govt would actually be something akin to the UK oddly enough...with bells on.

psketti wrote:
Just the sense

andyh wrote: This the same guy:www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/gl...reatest-threats.html

Guevarista wrote:
He's not a climate skeptic so to speak, what he is skeptical about is the methods proposed to cure it.
The money has to come from somewhere for it (unless we're gonna go venus project lol) so that much is inevitable.

What are the real renewable energy sources we could be using though?

Hemp. Not gonna happen though.

psketti wrote:
The more greenery the better but thats just one side of it.

psketti wrote: I agree with the first bit.

Guevarista wrote:
I'd love to share your optimism

Been having a look round this Lombard's site; he seems to advocate the World Bank's free trade to combat climate change?www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/cli...oha-by-bj-rn-lomborg

Guevarista wrote:
Everyone involved in the AGW movement has an ulterior motive Gue.
This guys motive is to abandon doing anything about it because we cannot and instead throw some money and investment etc at 3rd world countries and bring them into the mould *cough* [tm]
Its enough to make you question if its all real huh?

What green energy can possibly replace oil/gas/coal ?

That video wasn't very good imo, a good attempt at diversion, Lomborg raises good points about how little the Intergovernmental panels have achieved but that's about it imo, I don't agree with his Geo-Engineering plans or view that the money would be better spent on aid and development of 3rd world economies.

From this article it seems he advocates pumping the atmosphere full of sulfur:
www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2030804,00.html
anyway back OT:www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/12/121223152408.htm

psketti wrote:
theres 5 thousand million litres of spare water in my area alone, irrigation water thats available per annum and extraction has been capped at that level and is sustainable (it recharges) ...its not being used to grow food anymore because the potato, fruit and nut prices have been pushed so low... people just dont bother anymore.

now things in rural oz, when you add water, grow like hydroponics, and then some, in areas where there is sun out 300+ days of the year. Infact hydroponics cant even compare unless a large amount of light is used.

ive seen what cannabis can do outdoors in places like this, when watered and fed. Now the thought of center pivot sites irrigating hemp... the mind boggles what could be done out here.

but of course, it aint gunna happen. cant even grow a tobacco plant without being arrested, let alone hemp, and anything with THC in it dont even go there.

gue want to come here and i give you 50 million litres of water now that i dont use, some land, and see how far you get?

tell me how that is ever going to change and when?

We're not even close to understanding the climate so the whole thing's a waste of time. Furthermore, we never will have a holistic understanding of the climate. We took some data from variables that can be measured but that we don't fully understand the relationship between, discounted lots of other variables that we either don't know exist, can't measure, or don't understand their effect on the other variables, and put it into a computer using six different starting points in an attempt to overcome the butterfly effect, using a model that we made up even though there are vast chasms in our understanding. After a bit of tinkering around, and averaging the results out, we came to the conclusion that the Alps will be a puddle in ten years time. Everyone panic! Or better still, let's set up a massive carbon market.

wake_up_bomb wrote:
Yes Goldman Sachs for one has an uncanny habit of never missing a trick.

Australian Politician Bob Katter's thoughts on renewable energy, carbon trading and more...




@ Gue... point of that video is that Bob Katter talks about real solutions to create renewable energy such as solar, and they dont seem to be implemented en masse.

Guevarista wrote:


You're forgetting its still way below zero there
See how easily you just got brain fucked?

The carbon con, if not careful will become the next global reserve currency, backed by all types of energy, this is what they are trying to do, remember we all breath out Co2 on every breath. Lovelock says more than all the airliners in a day.
novum wrote:

I remember Icke talking about the fat controllers, and their knowledge of the cyclical weather patterns, basically following the cyclical climate of oast patterns, that repeate themselves with amazing accuracy.

Those ages of sea-sawing have happened throughout history, where the Norse enjoyed the cathedral type dairy farms on Greenland while a mini ice age swept through Europe. When the Anasazi moved out of their vallies and the Inca lost their ground water.

The earlier European explorers to the Americas witnessed huge forests only to return again to vast open grasslands,

As the planet opened up, it was the elite who funded the discoveries and eventually logged what was to become theirs throughclever diplomacy, now the paradigm is being cleverly hypnotised by the same upper echelon, who are basically telling a global population what they want them to hear.

The devices that is making all of this possible isn't natural, but man made, transhumanising his existance via, eye coordinations, instead of hand to eye realities.

When enough realise they are dieing of cold and starving in the warm, maybe they will make their own systems work for themselves.