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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 12 Feb 2014 11:29 #21

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SilvaRizla wrote:
People need the services of others.

No. Some people need help, others cooperate and yet others demand servitude.
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. People are selfish.

Nope. Some people are selfish, some are altruistic but in general humans are somewhere in between. Those lacking any empathy will tell that we're all cunts to cover up for the fact that they're a cunt. Then they tell that greed is good.
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Incentive is required

Stick or carrot?
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. Its that simple.

No, it "simply" isn't.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 12 Feb 2014 11:34 #22

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You are taught to think that, yes.

lol :)

Most menial tasks can be automated, many jobs can be eliminated by design and are being done so right now, robots are replacing human labour all over the world, see WUB's post about Google and Foxconn.
Robots are tax deductible so not only do they cost no wages they have asset return value and reduce the tax bill.
Supermarket tills are being automated, call centres automated, petrol pumps automated and on and on and ariston :)
Tell me again what the incentive here is to keep workers on.

You miss the point.

You haven't made one yet.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 12 Feb 2014 11:38 #23

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mikey mikey wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
People need the services of others.

No. Some people need help, others cooperate and yet others demand servitude.
SilvaRizla wrote:
. People are selfish.

Nope. Some people are selfish, some are altruistic but in general humans are somewhere in between. Those lacking any empathy will tell that we're all cunts to cover up for the fact that they're a cunt. Then they tell that greed is good.
SilvaRizla wrote:
Incentive is required

Stick or carrot?
SilvaRizla wrote:
. Its that simple.

No, it "simply" isn't.

Yes it is. You have agreed with everything I have said with the addition of one word: "some".

Fact is, we don't live in a world were when I've finished taking a shit, I can summon a droid to come and wipe my arse. We don't live in a world were we don't rely on the services of others. If we did, then great, but we don't.

There isn't a single person here who doesn't require the services of another. Those PEOPLE (not robots) that keep infrastructure going so we can continue to llive our lives.

Work wouldn't be required if EVERYTHING was done by droids, but that isn't the world we live in so right now that argument is not applicable. In the here and now, jobs are required for most people if you want to maintain your standard of living.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 12 Feb 2014 11:45 #24

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SilvaRizla wrote:
Yes it is. You have agreed with everything I have said with the addition of one word: "some".

No, I really haven't, I assure you.

You see, I don't agree with notions that sate that we are all lazy, selfish and need to be put to work.

If I said to my best friend "you' Mum is lazy, selfish and need to be put to work" he'd lamp me.

And he'd be right to do so.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 12 Feb 2014 11:46 #25

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I'm sorry, but the whole concept is complete bullshit. ...

G'day SilvaRizla.

Have you heard about 'freeware' applications?

How about Linux?

There are always exceptions to the rule, also special cases in times of tragedy. Your example is one project with thousands of volunteers. I don't see many fencing companies putting up free fences, nor gardeners doing free gardening. Nor do I see tailors offering free suits day in day out. I could go on and on and on.

On the whole, a ridiculous notion.

Because you "... don't see ...", or don't believe, doesn't mean that it isn't possible, or even happening somewhere right now.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 12 Feb 2014 11:48 #26

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I AM ALL I AM wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
I'm sorry, but the whole concept is complete bullshit. ...

G'day SilvaRizla.

Have you heard about 'freeware' applications?

How about Linux?

There are always exceptions to the rule, also special cases in times of tragedy. Your example is one project with thousands of volunteers. I don't see many fencing companies putting up free fences, nor gardeners doing free gardening. Nor do I see tailors offering free suits day in day out. I could go on and on and on.

On the whole, a ridiculous notion.

Because you "... don't see ...", or don't believe, doesn't mean that it isn't possible, or even happening somewhere right now.

I've said time and again whats needed is experimental proof of concept.
How do you get the initial investment required to set up something to demonstrate it though?
Who is going to invest in a system that would bring down the economic system?
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 12 Feb 2014 11:49 #27

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mikey mikey wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
Yes it is. You have agreed with everything I have said with the addition of one word: "some".

No, I really haven't, I assure you.

You see, I don't agree with notions that sate that we are all lazy, selfish and need to be put to work.

If I said to my best friend "you' Mum is lazy, selfish and need to be put to work" he'd lamp me.

And he'd be right to do so.

Is that what I've said? No. Stop trying to put words in my mouth.

If you don't believe you need a job, why do you have one?

Take what money you have, buy a small amount of land and some minimal tools and crack on. Go and build your dream.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 12 Feb 2014 11:50 #28

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andyh wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
I'm sorry, but the whole concept is complete bullshit. ...

G'day SilvaRizla.

Have you heard about 'freeware' applications?

How about Linux?

There are always exceptions to the rule, also special cases in times of tragedy. Your example is one project with thousands of volunteers. I don't see many fencing companies putting up free fences, nor gardeners doing free gardening. Nor do I see tailors offering free suits day in day out. I could go on and on and on.

On the whole, a ridiculous notion.

Because you "... don't see ...", or don't believe, doesn't mean that it isn't possible, or even happening somewhere right now.

I've said time and again whats needed is experimental proof of concept.
How do you get the initial investment required to set up something to demonstrate it though?
Who is going to invest in a system that would bring down the economic system?

Do it then :thumbup:
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 12 Feb 2014 11:53 #29

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SilvaRizla wrote:
andyh wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
I'm sorry, but the whole concept is complete bullshit. ...

G'day SilvaRizla.

Have you heard about 'freeware' applications?

How about Linux?

There are always exceptions to the rule, also special cases in times of tragedy. Your example is one project with thousands of volunteers. I don't see many fencing companies putting up free fences, nor gardeners doing free gardening. Nor do I see tailors offering free suits day in day out. I could go on and on and on.

On the whole, a ridiculous notion.

Because you "... don't see ...", or don't believe, doesn't mean that it isn't possible, or even happening somewhere right now.

I've said time and again whats needed is experimental proof of concept.
How do you get the initial investment required to set up something to demonstrate it though?
Who is going to invest in a system that would bring down the economic system?

Do it then :thumbup:

The two lines below the bold text there.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 12 Feb 2014 11:57 #30

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SilvaRizla wrote:
Is that what I've said? No. Stop trying to put words in my mouth.

I never said that you said that.

I just showed that if you take the "people are selfish and lazy" generalisation and make it personal "your mum is selfish and lazy" then the inherent misanthropy of the assumption is revealed.

You see, it is easy to think of "people" - the faceless crowd- as a bunch of idle thoughtless bastards, but it is not so easy to think that about each individual that you know personally.

Do you understand?

And I have a job teaching because I love teaching. If I were a billionaire, I'd still do it.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 12 Feb 2014 12:00 #31

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andyh wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
andyh wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
I'm sorry, but the whole concept is complete bullshit. ...

G'day SilvaRizla.

Have you heard about 'freeware' applications?

How about Linux?

There are always exceptions to the rule, also special cases in times of tragedy. Your example is one project with thousands of volunteers. I don't see many fencing companies putting up free fences, nor gardeners doing free gardening. Nor do I see tailors offering free suits day in day out. I could go on and on and on.

On the whole, a ridiculous notion.

Because you "... don't see ...", or don't believe, doesn't mean that it isn't possible, or even happening somewhere right now.

I've said time and again whats needed is experimental proof of concept.
How do you get the initial investment required to set up something to demonstrate it though?
Who is going to invest in a system that would bring down the economic system?

Do it then :thumbup:

The two lines below the bold text there.

Work can be defined as offering your services in exchange for the service of another.

You don't believe that work is needed, so leave the system we live in and start afresh. What's stopping you? You don't need the service of others so you don't need investment (the service of another).

You don't need our current system nor any of its benefits. Put your money where your mouth is.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 12 Feb 2014 12:01 #32

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mikey mikey wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
Is that what I've said? No. Stop trying to put words in my mouth.

I never said that you said that.

I just showed that if you take the "people are selfish and lazy" generalisation and make it personal "your mum is selfish and lazy" then the inherent misanthropy of the assumption is revealed.

You see, it is easy to think of "people" - the faceless crowd- as a bunch of idle thoughtless bastards, but it is not so easy to think that about each individual that you know personally.

Do you understand?

And I have a job teaching because I love teaching. If I were a billionaire, I'd still do it.

Why does it matter that you aren't a billionaire? You don't need payment (the service of another). Put your money where your mouth is.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 12 Feb 2014 12:03 #33

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Is that what I've said? No. Stop trying to put words in my mouth.

I never said that you said that.

Yes you did. You said you don't agree that we are all lazy and should be put to work. That would imply that my view is that we are lazy and should be put to work.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 12 Feb 2014 12:07 #34

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SilvaRizla wrote:
andyh wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
andyh wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
I'm sorry, but the whole concept is complete bullshit. ...

G'day SilvaRizla.

Have you heard about 'freeware' applications?

How about Linux?

There are always exceptions to the rule, also special cases in times of tragedy. Your example is one project with thousands of volunteers. I don't see many fencing companies putting up free fences, nor gardeners doing free gardening. Nor do I see tailors offering free suits day in day out. I could go on and on and on.

On the whole, a ridiculous notion.

Because you "... don't see ...", or don't believe, doesn't mean that it isn't possible, or even happening somewhere right now.

I've said time and again whats needed is experimental proof of concept.
How do you get the initial investment required to set up something to demonstrate it though?
Who is going to invest in a system that would bring down the economic system?

Do it then :thumbup:

The two lines below the bold text there.

Work can be defined as offering your services in exchange for the service of another.

You don't believe that work is needed, so leave the system we live in and start afresh. What's stopping you? You don't need the service of others so you don't need investment (the service of another).

You don't need our current system nor any of its benefits. Put your money where your mouth is.

:facepalm:

We already live in a monetary system remember? The only way to get the pre-owned resources which said people did NOT pay for initially necessarily is to steal it, just like they did initially.
Do the royalty or the elite central bankers work for a living?
DO YOU SUPPORT THAT!?

Seriously ... :facepalm:

I mean...



Thats a double facepalm.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 12 Feb 2014 12:11 #35

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andyh wrote:
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andyh wrote:
You are taught to think that, yes.

lol :)

Most menial tasks can be automated, many jobs can be eliminated by design and are being done so right now, robots are replacing human labour all over the world, see WUB's post about Google and Foxconn.
Robots are tax deductible so not only do they cost no wages they have asset return value and reduce the tax bill.
Supermarket tills are being automated, call centres automated, petrol pumps automated and on and on and ariston :)
Tell me again what the incentive here is to keep workers on.

You miss the point.

You haven't made one yet.

SilvaRizla has made a very good point. One which you have yet to counter
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 12 Feb 2014 12:13 #36

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Barnfish wrote:
andyh wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
andyh wrote:
You are taught to think that, yes.

lol :)

Most menial tasks can be automated, many jobs can be eliminated by design and are being done so right now, robots are replacing human labour all over the world, see WUB's post about Google and Foxconn.
Robots are tax deductible so not only do they cost no wages they have asset return value and reduce the tax bill.
Supermarket tills are being automated, call centres automated, petrol pumps automated and on and on and ariston :)
Tell me again what the incentive here is to keep workers on.

You miss the point.

You haven't made one yet.

SilvaRizla has made a very good point. One which you have yet to counter

Go ahead and elucidate.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 12 Feb 2014 12:15 #37

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andyh wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
andyh wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
andyh wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:
SilvaRizla wrote:
I'm sorry, but the whole concept is complete bullshit. ...

G'day SilvaRizla.

Have you heard about 'freeware' applications?

How about Linux?

There are always exceptions to the rule, also special cases in times of tragedy. Your example is one project with thousands of volunteers. I don't see many fencing companies putting up free fences, nor gardeners doing free gardening. Nor do I see tailors offering free suits day in day out. I could go on and on and on.

On the whole, a ridiculous notion.

Because you "... don't see ...", or don't believe, doesn't mean that it isn't possible, or even happening somewhere right now.

I've said time and again whats needed is experimental proof of concept.
How do you get the initial investment required to set up something to demonstrate it though?
Who is going to invest in a system that would bring down the economic system?

Do it then :thumbup:

The two lines below the bold text there.

Work can be defined as offering your services in exchange for the service of another.

You don't believe that work is needed, so leave the system we live in and start afresh. What's stopping you? You don't need the service of others so you don't need investment (the service of another).

You don't need our current system nor any of its benefits. Put your money where your mouth is.

:facepalm:

We already live in a monetary system remember? The only way to get the pre-owned resources which said people did NOT pay for initially necessarily is to steal it, just like they did initially.
Do the royalty or the elite central bankers work for a living?
DO YOU SUPPORT THAT!?

Seriously ... :facepalm:

I mean...



Thats a double facepalm.

The monetary system can be boiled down to a symbol for the exchange of human services, which you don't need. Crack on then.
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We already live in a monetary system remember? The only way to get the pre-owned resources which said people did NOT pay for initially necessarily is to steal it, just like they did initially.
Do the royalty or the elite central bankers work for a living?
DO YOU SUPPORT THAT!?



Can you evidence any of your claims?

Working for free has a name, slavery. You want to become a slave and the rest to join you in slavery, which makes me suspect you are at it and actually are out to con people and you are a slave master.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 12 Feb 2014 12:18 #39

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The monetary system can be boiled down to a symbol for the exchange of human services, which you don't need. Crack on then.

Its debt printed out of thin air with no intrinsic value attached which only benefits those who are legally allowed to perpetrate fraud.
There is no exchange, it is fraudulent.
Proven.
Fact.
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Barnfish wrote:
andyh wrote:
.......
We already live in a monetary system remember? The only way to get the pre-owned resources which said people did NOT pay for initially necessarily is to steal it, just like they did initially.
Do the royalty or the elite central bankers work for a living?
DO YOU SUPPORT THAT!?



Can you evidence any of your claims?

Working for free has a name, slavery. You want to become a slave and the rest to join you in slavery, which makes me suspect you are at it and actually are out to con people and you are a slave master.

He isn't, he's just an idiot.
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