andyh wrote:
No, reason. It's a useful tool you may wish to try on for size.

Mr Shiny wrote:
What sort of a liberal would want criminals to flourish I wonder?
Oh right....the guys who run the show. :p

Some words are just made to be together and roll of the tounge "liberal cunt" springs to mind

Was the Victorian age run by liberal's also

Victorian Britain had child prostitution and many more nasty things hidden behind respectable facades

question to mr shiny of course.

humanspirit wrote:
I'm not commenting on the Victorian age (their problems may have come from an entirely different source). I'm commenting on the modern (post-war) era and especially from the social and sexual revolution of the 1960s onwards. In the modern age the dominant ideology is Liberalism; which is rooted in egalitarianism (which itself is opposition to social inequality - it demands that all should be equal).

The Liberalism is creating a moral vacuum within which people turn a blind eye to the seduction (and increasingly the mainstream sexualisation) of children because they are becoming morally paralysed by an ideology that informs them that no opinion or value is right or wrong...all is and are equal. This is especially the case in the media institutions; hence Savile getting away with it as long as he did, Wyman being treated as little more than a dirty joke, and the expansion into mainstream films and music of what was previously soft and hard-core porn. Liberalism disarms society against depravity.

Its not the only means of promoting depravity, but as the dominant ideology of the modern age (especially in the media, which clearly displays its "nothing is right or wrong, anything goes" mentality) it is clearly the creator of the environment in which Savile got to abuse children with impunity.

So the BBC is a non-hierarchical liberal institution now?

oioioi wrote:
As I said, Liberalism is self-contradictory bullshit. It teaches that inequality and hierarchy are wrong, and is the dominant ideology in the BBC, but at the same time you'll find people who proclaim it happily taking positions in hierarchies whilst still claiming that everyone is equal and nothing is more right or wrong than anything else.

You are requiring that I describe the internal workings of an insane and self-contradictory ideology. Don't be surprised when what I describe is then madder than a box of frogs.

Mr Shiny wrote:
The lady doth self-contradict too much.

oioioi wrote:
I realise that I am questioning many people's religion here, and that you have numerous defences set up in your psyche to protect against that, but try to think about rather than just react.

The same BBC whose hierarchy is now under the spotlight for treating some of it's staff as more equal?

Flip-flop.

oioioi wrote:
Which part of "self-contradictory bullshit" are you not getting?

Are you seriously suggesting that the permissive society created by the 60's liberal social and sexual revolutions did not create an environment of moral ambiguity that had people turning a blind eye to Savile and his ilk and which continues to this day as underage sex is either ignored or subject to arguments to reduce the age of consent even further? How naive are you?

Mr Shiny wrote:
Hippies are responsible for the abuse in the Catholic church?

Mr Shiny wrote: The BBC is not a liberal organisation. This is a common misnomer. They blindly and unfailingly support the existing establishment and status quo. The existing establishment and status quo is not libertarian, I assure you.

Mr Shiny wrote:
The contradictory examples?

oioioi wrote:
lmfao, so KOTG innit :p

andyh wrote:
Groan.

Yes I am suggesting it for the following reasons....

Child abuse has been condoned and turned a blind eye to way way way before the 60's - infact the first allegations against saville were made in the 50's.

It is the generation from the 60's and beyond who have spoken out about the evil and damage paedophiles do to children

The bbc was stuck as part of the old boys network and stuffy hierarchical large corporation that pre war existed they are not some progressive liberal corporation - far from it.

Your perspective of a few things seems to stem from some deeply ingrained flawed thinking - but thats cool because as liberal thinkers we have fought for and accept your right to freedom of speech. Damn those liberals for such thinking!!

thoreau wrote: Don't worry, he'll always defend his own freedom of speech...

Someone please tell me that shiney ain't that fuckwit KOTG!