Mike wrote:

What the fuck has Icke got to do with it?

Mike wrote:

So let me get this right.... you yourself have voted therefore you have more right than me to comment on this particular subject... that it?

Just mike scattering bait, hoping for a bite.
Again.

He's a subtle as a one-man-band on a hunting trip.

feather wrote:
Oh he'll get a bite.... in the form of his arse handed to him on a fucking big shiney plate.

psketti wrote: You're far too frightened of him to even attempt that.

feather wrote: I thought it was good, I got something for all the UKIP voters on TZ and 90% of the active posters here.

Mike wrote:
You couldn't make a more obviously shit post if you tried.
The evidence is everywhere you look, bank bailouts, corrupt politicians and other leaders in society and media, wars for profit, pollution everywhere and focus on just CO2, the list goes on and on.
Its also self evident that they do accept that representative democracy exists they can see it and criticize it, you on the other hand choose to continue to support a failed model despite all the evidence showing that it has failed and continues to fail.
You can only judge it a success if you are one of those that the system is designed to support....

Direct democracy on the other hand is something pretty much everyone here (except yourself) would be glad to support.
You talk of the class system and here you are saying you support it, its quite laughable, even going to the extent to say that you'd prefer a two party state, a complete fucking joke Mike. Like oi says, even the WUM is complete laughable crap lately. You don't have a leg to stand on anymore along with your representative party political authoritarian scumbags.

You keep calling TVP 'utopian' , you mock 'populist' movements like Beppe Grillo in Italy despite the previous party having leaders connected to fascism and sexually abusing young girls (see videocracy).

You talk of the 'oppressed masses' and the bourgeoise and all that crap and here you are saying you're willing to help out with the very same political parties that maintain the very same class paradigm.

You've never been even so much as a fucking union member, you don't have a job. That in itself is nothing to be ashamed of, after all, there are no fucking jobs anymore, again thats down to the way the system is maintained isn't it? Jobless recovery, LOL!

You basically just vote labour because you hope it'll keep the dole payments rolling in.
I got news for you, it won't

If its captain obvious that the system is fucked and that shitloads of the people participating in it are all child fucking ,self serving, motherfucking evil murdering scumfucks then you don't bloody help it. If you want power to the people then you would HAVE to support direct democracy, if you support representative democracy then you support the bourgeoise, this is how they have always maintained power and position in society by refusing direct control to the proles and keeping it with select upper middle class servants who know their place and know that it is in their interests to keep doing what they do along with the same class who end up running the media.

Countries have had revolution after revolution and they still never get away from it, only 1 country has, Switzerland.

psketti wrote: Psst the nervous tic in your left hand is showing.
Don't let him get to you like this. Be strong, believe in yourself, don't just accept he has the upper hand just because he's a man.

Space Bandit wrote: You're not even using proper english in this rant.
"if you believe you're voting for real democracy"
What the hell does that even mean, I don't believe I am voting for anything, are you a Solipsist?
I know the status quo is not ok, Marxism is a SCIENCE for examining the ways in which the ideological branches which grew from Adam Smith's Liberal Democratic theories contain the seed of inequality and exploitation, private property.

The status quo is so imbalanced that I have to vote for any political party that challenges the Tories, because if you don't vote against the tories and they get into power, then lot's of kids will die from poverty in the UK and society will disintegrate and be auctioned off, it's that simple.
You advocate burying your head in David Ickes sand box.
I advocate voting tactically for your class interest, and not leaving your democratic participation there, I advocate being involved in local political parties, networking and working together with various groups to over come the tories.
What do you advocate apart from complaining all day everyday on the internet?

Weird done a post and it doesn't show

EDIT: Now it does after posting this one, lol computers :p

Mike wrote:
I think SB was saying that he rightly holds the position of being able to complain about them all because he doesn't vote for any of them.

Sounds fair enough to me...

andyh wrote: Yeah I just edited the post to the relevant bit really.
They do very well out of Multinational Corporations using them for offshore banking, say for avoiding paying fair rates of tax on their profits from African mines, in this way many parts of Switzerland are inhabited by Upper and middle Bourgeois which is why you obviously have a fetish for it:

The swiss are a nation of bankers.

He holds no position, that's his position, so I don't take his position seriously.

I hold various positions dialectically, viewing and interacting non-dogmatically with various existing positions and emerging ones

I have a fetish for it pal because their people have been elevated way above working class and the conditions of life the likes of yourself suffer.
They don't know the meaning of unemployed.

That is an economic success, unlike the epic fucked up sorry state of affairs the rest of Europe have managed to achieve.
The UK economy is primarily based on banking by the way, its the world capital of foreign exchange, not Switzerland...
In fact, the UK has bugger all much in the way of big numbers to export except banking services now. NB the city of london has different tax rates to the rest of the UK.
www.newstatesman.com/economy/2011/02/london-corporation-city

Obviously you were not aware....

Mike wrote:
No, he holds the position that all the votable options are shit options in his opinion, therefore he chooses not to vote for any of them.

That's his position, & its a valid one.

in your opinion it's valid, that's fair enough, yet more evidence truthers rely on confirmation bias to form a world view based on emotional reactions.

"Marxism is a SCIENCE"

Mike wrote:
Marxism and homophobia to name but 2

You know all the bureaucrats in these bankrupt countries like Greece, Spain and France that were funnelling money out of their countries into private offshore bank accounts like those in Switzerland, that's how "their people have been elevated way above working class and the conditions of life the likes of yourself suffer".

The Wealth of a nation of bankers and accountants increasing steadily over the last 30 years is not unconnected to the impoverishment of the rest of Europe.

Switzerland rewards selfish private interest, and exploitative business practices by multinational corporations, that's probably why you have a fetish for it.