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Space Bandit 18 May 2013 15:55 #181

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Mike wrote:

I hold various positions dialectically, viewing and interacting non-dogmatically with various existing positions and emerging ones ;)


Show us the proof of this.
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Space Bandit 18 May 2013 15:56 #182

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feather wrote:
psketti wrote:
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Psst the nervous tic in your left hand is showing.
Don't let him get to you like this. Be strong, believe in yourself, don't just accept he has the upper hand just because he's a man.


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Space Bandit 18 May 2013 15:57 #183

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Mike wrote:
in your opinion it's valid, that's fair enough, yet more evidence truthers rely on confirmation bias to form a world view based on emotional reactions.

What has choosing not to vote for a varied bunch of corrupt self-serving fuckwits got do with 'emotional reactions' ffs?

Or 'truthers' for that matter...

Get a grip mate...
truth-zone.co.uk/ - the other place...

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Forced into becoming more Democratic... 18 May 2013 15:58 #184

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Cool fetish:
Switzerland under pressure

The files offer a first ever glimpse of how Swiss lawyers and trusts from Geneva to St. Gallen helped clients the world over establish offshore firms and trusts to protect their assets from the taxman or over-zealous heirs. “People don’t set up this kind of structure out of altruism, but to gain a profit,” says Christian Wanner, one of Switzerland’s leading authorities on tax collection.

The offshore files show the role not only of Swiss banks but also of Swiss lawyers in helping foreign clients set up secretive offshore entities.

“Someone who has set up dozens of offshore firms for foreign clients obviously risks becoming a target for foreign tax inspectors,” predicts Beat von Rechenberg, the president of the Swiss Bar Association. Of his 9,000 members he estimates that only two to three hundred are likely to be involved. “But, a bit like banking, our profession is going through a paradigm shift,” Beat von Rechenberg says.
www.icij.org/offshore/swiss-lawyers-who-...heir-wealth-offshore
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Forced into becoming more Democratic... 18 May 2013 15:59 #185

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Mike wrote:
You know all the bureaucrats in these bankrupt countries like Greece, Spain and France that were funnelling money out of their countries into private offshore bank accounts like those in Switzerland, that's how "their people have been elevated way above working class and the conditions of life the likes of yourself suffer".

The Wealth of a nation of bankers and accountants increasing steadily over the last 30 years is not unconnected to the impoverishment of the rest of Europe.

Switzerland rewards selfish private interest, and exploitative business practices by multinational corporations, that's probably why you have a fetish for it.

The UK has done most of it via the city of london and the british virgin islands as evidenced in the link above and also as evidenced by the work done with the icij which we linked earlier in the forum, you ignored that too :D

Switzerland merely has a lower corporation tax rate than most of the EU but NOT lower than several other places I could care to mention and indeed just did mention in the previous post lol! :D

What do they then spend their citizens tax money on I wonder, let me see now....did Switzerland spend tax money on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Hmmm? Did they piss it away on bank bailouts? Do they suffer from 'austerity'?

Nope. The UK did all the above, you're now officially screwed, you can beg for mercy if you like :D

www.therules.org/en/actions/london-tax-haven

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Space Bandit 18 May 2013 15:59 #186

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diamondgeezer wrote:
Mike wrote:
in your opinion it's valid, that's fair enough, yet more evidence truthers rely on confirmation bias to form a world view based on emotional reactions.

What has choosing not to vote for a varied bunch of corrupt self-serving fuckwits got do with 'emotional reactions' ffs?

Or 'truthers' for that matter...

Get a grip mate...
By fuck you're also dumb :sokay:
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Space Bandit 18 May 2013 16:01 #187

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Mike wrote:
diamondgeezer wrote:
Mike wrote:
in your opinion it's valid, that's fair enough, yet more evidence truthers rely on confirmation bias to form a world view based on emotional reactions.

What has choosing not to vote for a varied bunch of corrupt self-serving fuckwits got do with 'emotional reactions' ffs?

Or 'truthers' for that matter...

Get a grip mate...
By fuck you're also dumb :sokay:


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Forced into becoming more Democratic... 18 May 2013 16:01 #188

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Ghey smileys.
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Forced into becoming more Democratic... 18 May 2013 16:07 #189

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Mike wrote:
Ghey smileys.

LOL!!

Its so funny to see how many people are completely unaware of the corporation of london and its tax haven status.
Right under their fucking noses.
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Space Bandit 18 May 2013 16:08 #190

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What can you do eh...

Who you gonna vote for Mike, who will make your life 'better'. Serious question....I'm genuinely interested...
truth-zone.co.uk/ - the other place...

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Mike wrote:
He holds no position, that's his position, so I don't take his position seriously.
I hold various positions dialectically, viewing and interacting non-dogmatically with various existing positions and emerging ones ;)

So you thought you'd start a thread about it.... interesting dialectical tactic!
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I am honoured though..... but this could've been discussed on the other thread, and I won't be discussing it any further on this one!
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Space Bandit 18 May 2013 16:18 #192

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diamondgeezer wrote:
What can you do eh...

Who you gonna vote for Mike, who will make your life 'better'. Serious question....I'm genuinely interested...

Labour apparently.

Cuz it will make the big bad tories go away.

Go figure.
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Forced into becoming more Democratic... 18 May 2013 16:21 #193

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Space Bandit 18 May 2013 16:29 #194

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diamondgeezer wrote:
What can you do eh...

Who you gonna vote for Mike, who will make your life 'better'. Serious question....I'm genuinely interested...

Personally I'd rather vote for decisions instead of voting for people to make those decisions.
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Space Bandit 18 May 2013 16:30 #195

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psketti wrote:
diamondgeezer wrote:
What can you do eh...

Who you gonna vote for Mike, who will make your life 'better'. Serious question....I'm genuinely interested...

Labour apparently.

Cuz it will make the big bad tories go away.

Go figure.

Or tory actually cos it will speed up the mess apparently, depending on how he feels at the time :D
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andyh wrote:
personally I'd rather vote for decisions instead of voting for people to make those decisions.

That's how it works, people running out to vote for other people to make decisions for them, the type of decisions that usually have a detrimental effect on the lives of the people who voted. It's the only time people get a say in the matter. And yet they keep doing it! It's utterly ridiculous :chuckle:
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Mike wrote:

Surely you mean if you vote for a party knowing they are planning to go to war, or start a war, say like between Immigrants and Nationals like UKIP, then you are partially accountable?

Well, you're thinking of voting for a party that when it was last in power started illegal wars. Same people in the cabinet with a few shuffled faces... but somehow you expect a different result?
Obviously it's not as cut & dry if there were a new party with entirely new faces.... but if they were to do the same & they were voted into parliament for a 2nd term, then yes, I think those who voted for the slaughter of innocent people to continue should be imprisoned along with the perpetrators.
Do you think because someone is a member or voter of a political party they have no right to criticise or attempt to change that party>?
Everyone has the right to complain, it's just utterly useless if you're not even involved in the situation and just being negative about everything on the internet because Icke dramatically altered your world view.

I wasn't aware that I was 'just being negative on the internet' by simply stating my position (which is entirely well founded & logical).
If YOU want to moan about it you should seriously think about refusing to endorse such a shambolic system which makes a mockery of democracy. You speak as if it's going to be possible for you to change whatever they're up to by voting for it & then complaining about it... I mean, seriously, do get a grip!
I also wasn't aware that Icke had 'dramatically altered' my world view. I like some of Icke's stuff but I think a lot of it to be bollox. Make of that what you will, not that it has any relevance to this.... since I've never voted before I ever read any of his books for the same reasons & I'm on my way to being 40.
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Space Bandit 18 May 2013 16:45 #198

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diamondgeezer wrote:
What can you do eh...

Who you gonna vote for Mike, who will make your life 'better'. Serious question....I'm genuinely interested...
It's not a serious question.
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Am I right in saying that the only decision in a democracy that people get to make, is putting a little x in a box next to someone's name on special day, or few days, every 5 years or so?
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irrepressible wrote:
andyh wrote:
personally I'd rather vote for decisions instead of voting for people to make those decisions.

That's how it works, people running out to vote for other people to make decisions for them, the type of decisions that usually have a detrimental effect on the lives of the people who voted. It's the only time people get a say in the matter. And yet they keep doing it! It's utterly ridiculous :chuckle:
So we know you just sit around complaining about those decisions etc.
Are these "ridiculous" people who merely vote more active or less active in politics than you are?
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