feather wrote:
Bingo.

feather you call us a savage species so how can we understand it in order that we may control it?

serious question...

.......... wrote: Give it a rest you boring fuck.

.......... wrote:
Fear and insecurity, low self-esteem.

feather wrote:
That's kind of pessimistic, verging on misanthropic. If we were that bad, I don't think we would have lasted long as a species.

Can we be loving, empathetic, compassionate savage dicks?

feather wrote:
shut your bitter ass up then...

.......... wrote: Consider any other successful savage species.
It studies it's prey, watches for patterns, makes a prediction based upon it's observations, then pounces.

Intellect and savagery are in no way mutually exclusive.

irrepressible wrote:
Ergo, people who follow orders are fucked up.
& that's a lot of people!
So, is it fair to say that people are fucked up in general? Or is it otherwise the case that this is a natural state of being?

oioioi wrote:
Ignorance & prejudice.

feather wrote:
fair enough...

irrepressible wrote: People are capable of all kinds of fucked up behaviour in order to put themselves in a position of control.
Camouflage would be one example. Deception tactics are simply control levers.

Now collate the numbers of people globally involved in military roles, support and supply industries, organised crime, disorganised crime, animal experimentation and slaughter and tell me again how we're all about unicorns, rainbows and pleating daisies into our hair.

I am not at all content that humans are this way, but I am in no state of denial about it.

Oh and btw. That is exactly why we have been so successful as a species. Against all the odds, we run the playground.

Space Bandit wrote:
If following orders to kill and torture your fellow humans is a natural state of being, then we're in some serious shit, and mother nature is a cold hard bitch

I think it might come down to weakness of mind and spirit. What murderous game is nature playing?

Space Bandit wrote:
Or are we born innocent, love & light, then great efforts are made to shroud this instinct to love and nurture in fear, darkness and hatredby great machinations geared towards the system rather than the species?

irrepressible wrote:
Working in the school system and seeing so many kids, i think it might come down to parenting...

.......... wrote:
Some kids have shit parents and grow up to be lovely people. Some kids have lovely parents and grow up to be shit people.

irrepressible wrote:
I think it goes much wider than about just following orders to kill etc.
Think about how your average punter is happy to follow orders in a magnitude of ways just in everyday modern life.
So potentially, there is a lot of people who show the ideals of being conditioned who could be conditioned even further into unspeakable acts.
I don't really view humans as much more than savage & barbaric. The majority of humans diets and treatment of animals is a good indicator imo.

oioioi wrote:
Perhaps it goes further than birth. Certainly pregnancy & the womb has the potential to shape children emotionally.

Space Bandit wrote:
I think we kind of need a certain degree of barbarism and savagery to ensure the survival of the species, but at what point does that become detrimental to the survival of the species?
It's like one big murderous cannibalistic balancing act.

In a world of abundance, there is no need for barbarism and savagery.

This thread page has some serious psychology behind the world of conspiracy theory.