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Government in Uganda 31 Mar 2013 15:42 #61

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ent is a simple minded chap, if you oppose something ideologically you're meant to shoot it/blow it up. He then projects this violent response on to everyone.

*eta* I hadn't seen his post above this one before submitting.

:sokay:

Did you not claim to have your face published all over redwatch as well ? :conf:

Any way now we have established exactly what you are :carryon: Ill be gentle with you from now on :gum:

On redwatch....I don't remember claiming to be 'all over' it.

You've established exactly what I am?

We've established exactly what you think I am.

A rich/poor street-fighting/pacifist.

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Oh I think you will find you did in the anarchist book shop burnt...just of the top of me head like..must be the training :killinme:

Anyway im a man of my word :hug: ill be gentle from now on :)

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And what's this obsession with headbutting? I think most people don't rate everything in terms of street brawl credentials, but nevertheless a person could well have been in numerous physical conflicts but never actually headbutted anyone.

Have you ever given anyone a pressing kick to the knee? If you haven't, you fail.

Shut up you boring cunt...would a 9mm suffice instead :D
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Merc: just whose head are you butting?

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Government in Uganda 31 Mar 2013 15:46 #63

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entrangermercenary1 wrote:

Shut up you boring cunt...would a 9mm suffice instead :D

Not much to declare is it :D
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Shut up you boring cunt...would a 9mm suffice instead :D

Cowards and their guns :roll:
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Shut up you boring cunt...would a 9mm suffice instead :D

Cowards and their guns :roll:

Remind me who your teaching again ?
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Right time for Wales...all them :fluffy: :fluffy: standbye the Merc is cumming :gcat: :sperm:

Be back to liven you fuckers up later :smoking:
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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
dogsmilk wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
oioioi wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
oioioi wrote:
ent is a simple minded chap, if you oppose something ideologically you're meant to shoot it/blow it up. He then projects this violent response on to everyone.

*eta* I hadn't seen his post above this one before submitting.

:sokay:

Did you not claim to have your face published all over redwatch as well ? :conf:

Any way now we have established exactly what you are :carryon: Ill be gentle with you from now on :gum:

On redwatch....I don't remember claiming to be 'all over' it.

You've established exactly what I am?

We've established exactly what you think I am.

A rich/poor street-fighting/pacifist.

:chuckle:

Oh I think you will find you did in the anarchist book shop burnt...just of the top of me head like..must be the training :killinme:

Anyway im a man of my word :hug: ill be gentle from now on :)

:iitm:

And what's this obsession with headbutting? I think most people don't rate everything in terms of street brawl credentials, but nevertheless a person could well have been in numerous physical conflicts but never actually headbutted anyone.

Have you ever given anyone a pressing kick to the knee? If you haven't, you fail.

Shut up you boring cunt...would a 9mm suffice instead :D


Ooooooh! I take it that's a "no" then?

All this riding on aeroplanes and you've never given anyone a pressing kick to the knee? :killinme:
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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
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Oh I think you will find you did in the anarchist book shop burnt...just of the top of me head like..must be the training :killinme:

Anyway im a man of my word :hug: ill be gentle from now on :)

wtf are you blathering about now?

Ahh appologies it was in the redwatch thread
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My mugshot has been on there for years, never gave it a second thought

Ok.

And your point is...?

All part of your image eh ;)

I really have no idea what your point is now, a bit like you!
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Government in Uganda 31 Mar 2013 16:00 #69

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At this point in time, the British government really has very little influence over what goes on in the country in a significant sense. In fact, I would question whether it's even reasonable to describe Britain as a country, given that the primary defining characteristic of a country should be that it is sovereign. I suppose another possible definition would be simply a landmass with borders, but if this is what a country is then one would have to wonder where national pride, jingoism, flag waving, et al come into the equation when nationality is such an insignificant concept.

The culture of the UK was pretty much decided before many of us were born, and certainly before any of us were aware of it (some of us still aren't!). Certainly by the time I was born, with the acceptance of Britain into the Common Market, the final piece in the federal Europe was already complete. There are many other facets to this other than the Eurozone itself, although its greatest proponents and propagandists celebrated its sixtieth anniversary recently.

What we are seeing now is simply the outcome of this. It will be exceptionally difficult to change things in any significant way because there is a cabal of banking, military and industrial interests that has acquired a level of power that goes well beyond the level of any individual country, astronomically beyond that level in fact. And they own everyone's arse that has ever or will ever access this forum, whether they are aware of it or not. And all these people are interested in is more for themselves, less for everyone else, as George Carlin put it.

Claims that people should leave and go to another country if they don't like this prevailing culture are utterly asinine, as it is a global culture which already controls the socio-economic structure of virtually every country on the earth, and is seeking to take over those that it doesn't already control. The consequences of this have been seen all over the world for decades while European, British and American people convinced themselves that the reason that it hasn't happened here, and the reason that they had a better standard of living, was due to some incredible, intrinsic values of our culture and society. In fact, it was necessary for us to work for this structure in order for it to be built.

Increasingly that's not necessary any more; there are cheaper, harder working, and, in many cases, smarter and more qualified people in India, China, et al. Also, the banking sector is running out of ways to make money by piling debt on top of debt, so the rug is being pulled from under our collective feet. This could be done very quickly indeed, in a day, as occurred on Black Wednesday in September, 1992. It's actually far easier to do it now due to the relaxation of regulations, the fraud that takes place as a matter of course, the vulnerability of all Western economies, the level of interdependence that has now been cemented, and the vast amount of computerised, 'algorithmic' trading that takes place.

By the same token, thinking that you can change this by voting or attempting to be part of the government, or forming a political party, is equally asinine. The governments are already bought and paid for, and even if there is some sort of minor rebellion from the government, which is phenomenally unlikely in Britain for obvious reasons, the UK can be fucked over very, very easily indeed. As I said, it would be far easier to do it now than two decades ago; the UK is constantly teetering on the brink of a precipice as it is, totally reliant on borrowing 'money' to service debt and equally so on importation. Actually, the British economy is also totally reliant on financial fraud, as well. If financial fraud and unethical trading was stopped, the economy would fall apart in a matter of days. Whether people choose to accept this or not is up to them. It won't make a rat's arse of a difference either way.

That is why, at the very least, I would like to see some form of direct democracy in Britain, and share sentiments about anarchism, even though I am unconvinced that British people would be able to live in such circumstances at their present level of maturity and intellect. But obviously even instigating some sort of system of direct democracy is totally impossible when the vast majority of people don't even know what it is. People even went out and voted against changing the FPTP voting system, which renders I would think in the region of 95% of votes in general elections totally irrelevant. It's admitted by all the major political parties that they don't care if you vote or not. They only chase a few votes in a few key marginal seats. Yet people voted to keep that system!

It's a hard thing to accept, but the reason there isn't any significant social change, or at least none that seriously impedes the status quo, is that people don't want change. Until stuff happens that they don't like. Then they want the government to sort it out for them. Meanwhile we slide further and further into a total bankster lead takeover of society every day. Even if nothing at all happens this occurs, because the levels of debt become more and more unserviceable every day. Most people don't care until it affects them. That's the reality of the situation.

If anything ever threatens the power of this cabal, they would cause chaos the likes of which you or I cannot imagine. Look around you on a daily basis and ask yourself if people are ready to stay the course to fight them, or if they're even capable of understanding what's happening. Unfortunately, we live in a socially engineered system in which people are trained to be passive consumers, and it's only when they can't do this any more, or to the degree that they think they ought to be able to, that they have any complaint about their lives. That's why it's so easy to demonise activist groups, and why it's done so readily, because the public, generally speaking, can simply be told that these groups threaten their way of life, their six-pack, 42" TV, two cars, six weeks in Provence, timeshare in the Costa Brave existence. Of course, there's only one group that truly threatens this way of life, but standing up to them is a lot harder, and they know very well by now that if convenient scapegoats are put forth that most of the public will blame them, and those that don't will be shouted down. God knows we've all seen how effective this is on another forum that will remain nameless...

So that is the current situation, and I'm not saying that people shouldn't attempt to do something to make the world a better place in a small way, but I do genuinely believe at this point in time, as is often said about high level sport, that people should be focused on the process rather than the outcomes at this point in time, as I don't see any reason to believe that the outcomes are going to be good. The only hope I see is that there is a concerted effort in central Europe across several nations to stand up to the banks, among those that have common currency and a pretty common culture, because I don't really see it coming from within Britain.
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Government in Uganda 31 Mar 2013 16:33 #70

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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
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Shut up you boring cunt...would a 9mm suffice instead :D

Cowards and their guns :roll:

Remind me who your teaching again ?

People that need to learn the difference between the possessive adjective and the contraction of the verb to be within the present continuous form.

You're welcome.

And those guys aren't cowards and hate mercs.
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That is why, at the very least, I would like to see some form of direct democracy in Britain, and share sentiments about anarchism, even though I am unconvinced that British people would be able to live in such circumstances at their present level of maturity and intellect. But obviously even instigating some sort of system of direct democracy is totally impossible when the vast majority of people don't even know what it is. People even went out and voted against changing the FPTP voting system, which renders I would think in the region of 95% of votes in general elections totally irrelevant. It's admitted by all the major political parties that they don't care if you vote or not. They only chase a few votes in a few key marginal seats. Yet people voted to keep that system!

It's a hard thing to accept, but the reason there isn't any significant social change, or at least none that seriously impedes the status quo, is that people don't want change. Until stuff happens that they don't like. Then they want the government to sort it out for them. Meanwhile we slide further and further into a total bankster lead takeover of society every day. Even if nothing at all happens this occurs, because the levels of debt become more and more unserviceable every day. Most people don't care until it affects them. That's the reality of the situation.

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Personally I'm against making sweeping statements about the "maturity and intellect" of the population as I think that mode of thinking invites an arrogant elitism, like people on the DIF going on about 'the sheeple'. There is no reason to suggest literally millions of people are not "mature" or lack "intellect" just because they are not expressing the same ideas as ourselves. Indeed, people who exploit others and start wars are in many cases both mature and highly intelligent.
If you lose faith in people generally, you may as well just give up and go with the flow. Or strive to be in charge so you can tell them what to do - for their own good of course.
However, I think ideas and education are important and it's no accident one way of living is routinely propagandised. i think people aren't dumb, they just often haven't been stimulated to think and/or don't feel they have the time, confidence or resources to act. I don't think it's necessarily that people don't want change, more that they've got busy lives and they're not going to launch into a political fight. As far as I'm concerned, some of the most admirable "anarchists" I've met are apolitical regular working class people - just nice people, down to earth, don't fuck with anybody, just want to live a quiet life with no big desire to do anything but do some work, raise their kids and have a bit of fun who neither tell people what to do nor like being told what to do.
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^Very good read Wake up Bomb and good response also dogsmilk.... :thumbup:
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Personally I'm against making sweeping statements about the "maturity and intellect" of the population as I think that mode of thinking invites an arrogant elitism, like people on the DIF going on about 'the sheeple'. There is no reason to suggest literally millions of people are not "mature" or lack "intellect" just because they are not expressing the same ideas as ourselves. Indeed, people who exploit others and start wars are in many cases both mature and highly intelligent.
If you lose faith in people generally, you may as well just give up and go with the flow. Or strive to be in charge so you can tell them what to do - for their own good of course.
However, I think ideas and education are important and it's no accident one way of living is routinely propagandised. i think people aren't dumb, they just often haven't been stimulated to think and/or don't feel they have the time, confidence or resources to act. I don't think it's necessarily that people don't want change, more that they've got busy lives and they're not going to launch into a political fight. As far as I'm concerned, some of the most admirable "anarchists" I've met are apolitical regular working class people - just nice people, down to earth, don't fuck with anybody, just want to live a quiet life with no big desire to do anything but do some work, raise their kids and have a bit of fun who neither tell people what to do nor like being told what to do.
I pretty much agree with everything you've said here. It's obviously completely true that people are a product of their education and upbringing not their intrinsic qualities. I would obviously much rather live in a culture in which every person is given the maximum opportunity to realise their potential. I'm afraid I have given up on people to a certain extent. That's just really based on the people that I come into contact with. It's not so much people, I just don't see any clear way of affecting any significant social change at this point in time, especially when people don't want change. Of course, you're absolutely right that this is a product of their education or lack thereof, I think I acknowledged this myself by saying "we live in a socially engineered system in which people are trained to be passive consumers".

I'm glad you haven't given up on people. Maybe you'd like to come round my house and talk to my family sometime!.......... wrote:
^Very good read Wake up Bomb and good response also dogsmilk.... :thumbup:
Thanks for taking the time to read it, I wasn't sure if anyone would bother! I'm not very good at keeping my posts brief sometimes.
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dogsmilk wrote:
Personally I'm against making sweeping statements about the "maturity and intellect" of the population as I think that mode of thinking invites an arrogant elitism, like people on the DIF going on about 'the sheeple'. There is no reason to suggest literally millions of people are not "mature" or lack "intellect" just because they are not expressing the same ideas as ourselves. Indeed, people who exploit others and start wars are in many cases both mature and highly intelligent.
If you lose faith in people generally, you may as well just give up and go with the flow. Or strive to be in charge so you can tell them what to do - for their own good of course.
However, I think ideas and education are important and it's no accident one way of living is routinely propagandised. i think people aren't dumb, they just often haven't been stimulated to think and/or don't feel they have the time, confidence or resources to act. I don't think it's necessarily that people don't want change, more that they've got busy lives and they're not going to launch into a political fight. As far as I'm concerned, some of the most admirable "anarchists" I've met are apolitical regular working class people - just nice people, down to earth, don't fuck with anybody, just want to live a quiet life with no big desire to do anything but do some work, raise their kids and have a bit of fun who neither tell people what to do nor like being told what to do.
I pretty much agree with everything you've said here. It's obviously completely true that people are a product of their education and upbringing not their intrinsic qualities. I would obviously much rather live in a culture in which every person is given the maximum opportunity to realise their potential. I'm afraid I have given up on people to a certain extent. That's just really based on the people that I come into contact with. It's not so much people, I just don't see any clear way of affecting any significant social change at this point in time, especially when people don't want change. Of course, you're absolutely right that this is a product of their education or lack thereof, I think I acknowledged this myself by saying "we live in a socially engineered system in which people are trained to be passive consumers".

I'm glad you haven't given up on people. Maybe you'd like to come round my house and talk to my family sometime!.......... wrote:
^Very good read Wake up Bomb and good response also dogsmilk.... :thumbup:
Thanks for taking the time to read it, I wasn't sure if anyone would bother! I'm not very good at keeping my posts brief sometimes.

Yes it certainly is easy to get frustrated. I think this can be compounded by the fact that from the media you'd think virtually nothing is going on, yet there are people doing all kinds of stuff up and down the country. I think now is actually a key time - people are starting feel the impact of the govt's crazy policies and people are starting to get worried/pissed off. I think there's a danger stuff like this
www.coalitionofresistance.org.uk/
will degenerate into a hope of salvation by voting Labour. Who will then scale back policies a bit to defuse anger while maintaining all the bullshit that's already been wheeled in. I think now more than ever people need to be pitching in with whatever is going on in their local area and making the case that we don't need those cunts. It may all come to nothing, but we might just be on the verge of poll tax levels of unrest. I think many people are currently more willing to listen than they are when things are ticking over.
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wake_up_bomb wrote:
dogsmilk wrote:
Personally I'm against making sweeping statements about the "maturity and intellect" of the population as I think that mode of thinking invites an arrogant elitism, like people on the DIF going on about 'the sheeple'. There is no reason to suggest literally millions of people are not "mature" or lack "intellect" just because they are not expressing the same ideas as ourselves. Indeed, people who exploit others and start wars are in many cases both mature and highly intelligent.
If you lose faith in people generally, you may as well just give up and go with the flow. Or strive to be in charge so you can tell them what to do - for their own good of course.
However, I think ideas and education are important and it's no accident one way of living is routinely propagandised. i think people aren't dumb, they just often haven't been stimulated to think and/or don't feel they have the time, confidence or resources to act. I don't think it's necessarily that people don't want change, more that they've got busy lives and they're not going to launch into a political fight. As far as I'm concerned, some of the most admirable "anarchists" I've met are apolitical regular working class people - just nice people, down to earth, don't fuck with anybody, just want to live a quiet life with no big desire to do anything but do some work, raise their kids and have a bit of fun who neither tell people what to do nor like being told what to do.
I pretty much agree with everything you've said here. It's obviously completely true that people are a product of their education and upbringing not their intrinsic qualities. I would obviously much rather live in a culture in which every person is given the maximum opportunity to realise their potential. I'm afraid I have given up on people to a certain extent. That's just really based on the people that I come into contact with. It's not so much people, I just don't see any clear way of affecting any significant social change at this point in time, especially when people don't want change. Of course, you're absolutely right that this is a product of their education or lack thereof, I think I acknowledged this myself by saying "we live in a socially engineered system in which people are trained to be passive consumers".

I'm glad you haven't given up on people. Maybe you'd like to come round my house and talk to my family sometime!.......... wrote:
^Very good read Wake up Bomb and good response also dogsmilk.... :thumbup:
Thanks for taking the time to read it, I wasn't sure if anyone would bother! I'm not very good at keeping my posts brief sometimes.

WUB is perfectly accurate about the average intellect.
There is no 'elitism' to be had from stating the obvious, this is just the way it is DM.

metro.co.uk/2010/05/07/general-election-...facebook-hit-289325/

^57 people with intellect amongst tens of thousands.

This is the world and the way it is and the way it'll remain for a long time to come.
This is why 'activism' is a joke.

There's no need to take any arrogant view about it, the average european IQ is around 100 and WUB is around 140 at a guess.
Unfortunately the ones with smarts will have to put up with the crap and suffer unless they turn to violence.
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There's no need to take any arrogant view about it, the average european IQ is around 100 and WUB is around 140 at a guess.
Unfortunately the ones with smarts will have to put up with the crap and suffer unless they turn to violence.

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andyh wrote:
There's no need to take any arrogant view about it, the average european IQ is around 100 and WUB is around 140 at a guess.
Unfortunately the ones with smarts will have to put up with the crap and suffer unless they turn to violence.

You wanna go a round?

Of booze yes, its the only thing that helps tbh :)
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dogsmilk wrote:
Personally I'm against making sweeping statements about the "maturity and intellect" of the population as I think that mode of thinking invites an arrogant elitism, like people on the DIF going on about 'the sheeple'. There is no reason to suggest literally millions of people are not "mature" or lack "intellect" just because they are not expressing the same ideas as ourselves. Indeed, people who exploit others and start wars are in many cases both mature and highly intelligent.
If you lose faith in people generally, you may as well just give up and go with the flow. Or strive to be in charge so you can tell them what to do - for their own good of course.
However, I think ideas and education are important and it's no accident one way of living is routinely propagandised. i think people aren't dumb, they just often haven't been stimulated to think and/or don't feel they have the time, confidence or resources to act. I don't think it's necessarily that people don't want change, more that they've got busy lives and they're not going to launch into a political fight. As far as I'm concerned, some of the most admirable "anarchists" I've met are apolitical regular working class people - just nice people, down to earth, don't fuck with anybody, just want to live a quiet life with no big desire to do anything but do some work, raise their kids and have a bit of fun who neither tell people what to do nor like being told what to do.
I pretty much agree with everything you've said here. It's obviously completely true that people are a product of their education and upbringing not their intrinsic qualities. I would obviously much rather live in a culture in which every person is given the maximum opportunity to realise their potential. I'm afraid I have given up on people to a certain extent. That's just really based on the people that I come into contact with. It's not so much people, I just don't see any clear way of affecting any significant social change at this point in time, especially when people don't want change. Of course, you're absolutely right that this is a product of their education or lack thereof, I think I acknowledged this myself by saying "we live in a socially engineered system in which people are trained to be passive consumers".

I'm glad you haven't given up on people. Maybe you'd like to come round my house and talk to my family sometime!.......... wrote:
^Very good read Wake up Bomb and good response also dogsmilk.... :thumbup:
Thanks for taking the time to read it, I wasn't sure if anyone would bother! I'm not very good at keeping my posts brief sometimes.

Wake up Bomb i just want to say i respect your post and also the fact you take time to type in multiple paragraph responses.

Me personally i feel the need to be brief as possible and respond short and quick to cover forum grounds and topics.

I agree with what dogsmilk said about not losing faith in people generally or you may as well just give up and go with the flow.

"Or strive to be in charge so you can tell them what to do - for their own good of course"

WUB i also agree with you completely that people are a product of their education and upbringing not their intrinsic qualities.

Obviously if you read what i post about and threads i create alot of it has to do with being a product of our environment.

Which is why i'm on this forum often asking questions about the Ghetto's of Europe and third world poverty.

So when you say that your afraid you have given up on people to a certain extent my response is this.

People in the west are really scared of what is going on outside our western world so they are stuck.

It's hard to affect any significant social change at this point in time not because people don't want change.

They are scared of change because the ghetto's and the third world just seem to vicious for them.

So i'm going to keep asking questions about these issues until i get an idea of what the right course of action is.

For instance i could work in the private school system because i played basketball in college.

But fuck it i don't mind working with kids from a US ghetto that has a 30X higher murder rate than Moss Side in UK.

A full force multicultural society is on the horizon for us all and we have to figure out how to make it fair for everyone.
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Of booze yes, its the only thing that helps tbh :)

Very perttnent but intelligece is a gift and not something to be boasted about or to be used to draw lines between us.

In fact in many ways it a curse.

One I am gladly free of.

But it is NOT a requisite of VOX.

Wisdom and Love are greater than smarts.
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mikey mikey wrote:
andyh wrote:

Of booze yes, its the only thing that helps tbh :)

Very perttnent but intelligece is a gift and not something to be boasted about or to be used to draw lines between us.

In fact in many ways it a curse.

One I am gladly free of.

But it is NOT a requisite of VOX.

Wisdom and Love are greater than smarts.

Wisdom is only something gained with experience, something yet again people can't get much of and thats by design IMHO.
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