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Is it OK to lie to your kids about Santa? 21 Dec 2013 21:08 #221

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Ok,
When my kids mum went out one night and did something so despicable that i couldnt stay in the relationship and my kids subsequently adked why mum and dad were splitting up, should i have told them the truth? Knowing that it would probably have destroyed their relationship with their mum? Which was a loving one?

I'll answer. 11 years on, the boys still have a perfectly loving relationship with both parents. They are well adjusted and happy.
So lying was the right thing to do. End of. No room for debate...
Anyone suggesting the thing to do was tell them their mum was a fucking whore is bat shit crazy imho.

On the other hand, in order to save face, the boys mum went around telling a lot of big porky pies. My eldest once asked me if i used to hit her......he had heard her telling that lie to a friend...he was genuinely distressed and it took me a long time to help him get over the experience of thinking his dad used to beat his mum. Even though he only had the lie in his head for a few days.....

Anyone getting it yet?

My mum & dad split up when I was 8 & my mum had run off with another fella so I grew up the rest with my old man.
I still always had a good relationship with me ma though. But when my old man died, it came out that they'd got divorced & me ma had run off was because he was always shagging about..... and the whole family knew, apart from me....by then I was about 32... & by that time there was no way to confront my old man about it. It left a bit if a bitter taste.... & I could've handled the truth when I was a kid.
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Is it OK to lie to your kids about Santa? 21 Dec 2013 21:14 #222

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Shouldn't we be forgetting the mythical Santa Claus anyway and getting Christmas values back into children by teaching them the word of our Lord Jesus Christ instead?
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Is it OK to lie to your kids about Santa? 21 Dec 2013 21:16 #223

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Fair comment sb.
I guess every situation is different.
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Is it OK to lie to your kids about Santa? 21 Dec 2013 21:30 #224

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I have also BEEN Santa several times!

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Ab Origine wrote:
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To my mind though, if you're not even thinking about 'it', then you're not actually celebrating 'it', if that makes sense.

That's interesting. I think a lot of people think like that. When I was interested in this stuff, I did a lot of reading up on rituals and their meanings. A big part of modern ritual is in fact, people not really understanding what they're doing.

If something is normalised to the extent that something like Christmas is, for example, most people in the country will be exchanging gifts, drinking and eating a certain food, all on the same day. Many will even be watching the same things on television.

= mass 'ritual', in some folks eyes anyway. As I understand it, it's all about energy and focusing/harnessing of said energy. Many also believe mass energy focused in a particular direction could be the most powerful force on earth, for good or ill.

Another example might be thousands gathering at the London Eye to watch a firework display at a certain time. Again, mass ritual. Whether or not you believe it might be or even consider it all, if it were being orchestrated by someone, somewhere for that very purpose, they'd actually have pulled off a bit of a blinder, ritual-wise.

You can get really silly with it, but hopefully you see my point.

However, I wish to shit on all Christmases no more. :D

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Is it OK to lie to your kids about Santa? 21 Dec 2013 21:57 #226

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It's one school of thought, Abs, but another states the main ingredient of ritual is intent.

To bring all bodies to orgasm simultaneously?
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Reptired wrote:
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Reptired wrote:
You don't have the capacity to recognise rational, critical thinking, you make your mind up and then censor anything that may prove you incorrect, you are preventing yourself from thinking at all, I would guess it's as a defence mechanism against facing up to what you have done to your children.

"Who do you think's going to spend time reading any of that shit if it's led you to draw the conclusions you've presented here?"

You've failed to grasp so many comments in the thread from people speaking of common-sense practicalities, that it seems pointless attempting to educate you.

Re the bolded bit - shove your encyclopedia of BS up your imbecilic arse, and come back & tell us about it when you've tried rearing children by the methods you advocate.

The fact that rearing children may be difficult is not an excuse to abuse them, much like a difficult relationship is not an excuse to abuse a partner, or like it's not acceptable to abuse an elderly parent who may be suffering from dementia and acting in much the same way a child might. There is simply no moral or rational excuse for abusing people, including "common-sense practicalities".

Are you saying that lying about Santa is a form of abuse?

At best it's a form of mind control... as has been pointed out it's a bit of a game... but who for? Does the child know it's a game?
It's obvious though that kids don't come out of it mentally scarred, so even that I think is a bit of a stretch.
But for me, it's just not anarchy to tell your kids lies about Santa. :P Traditions.... eearggh!
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Is it OK to lie to your kids about Santa? 21 Dec 2013 22:38 #228

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Without the myth of santa I wouldn't have questioned authority to the extent of becoming an anarchist :P

This thread has almost become lovely.
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Is it OK to lie to your kids about Santa? 21 Dec 2013 22:53 #229

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Without the myth of santa I wouldn't have questioned authority to the extent of becoming an anarchist :P

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Now if only that were true of everybody.....
instead it just perpetuates capitalism!
:D
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Is it OK to lie to your kids about Santa? 21 Dec 2013 23:00 #230

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Space Bandit wrote:
Reptired wrote:
Gilly wrote:
Reptired wrote:
You don't have the capacity to recognise rational, critical thinking, you make your mind up and then censor anything that may prove you incorrect, you are preventing yourself from thinking at all, I would guess it's as a defence mechanism against facing up to what you have done to your children.

"Who do you think's going to spend time reading any of that shit if it's led you to draw the conclusions you've presented here?"

You've failed to grasp so many comments in the thread from people speaking of common-sense practicalities, that it seems pointless attempting to educate you.

Re the bolded bit - shove your encyclopedia of BS up your imbecilic arse, and come back & tell us about it when you've tried rearing children by the methods you advocate.

The fact that rearing children may be difficult is not an excuse to abuse them, much like a difficult relationship is not an excuse to abuse a partner, or like it's not acceptable to abuse an elderly parent who may be suffering from dementia and acting in much the same way a child might. There is simply no moral or rational excuse for abusing people, including "common-sense practicalities".

Are you saying that lying about Santa is a form of abuse?

At best it's a form of mind control... as has been pointed out it's a bit of a game... but who for? Does the child know it's a game?
It's obvious though that kids don't come out of it mentally scarred, so even that I think is a bit of a stretch.
But for me, it's just not anarchy to tell your kids lies about Santa. :P Traditions.... eearggh!

Yeah, I think it has a lot of potential to destroy trust between a parent and child, my personal experience of Santa and Jesus left me with the impression that my parents were both incompetent and liars by the time I was eight or so.

It left a big impression on me, I think it leaves a similar impression on most people, but that's just my experience and opinion.

I'm not suggesting most parents go into it intentionally trying to hurt the child, I think it's just unconscious repetition of culture for the most part, it is certainly used as behaviour modification for the benefit of the parent in the same way as religion is, mind control really isn't too far off, you are controlling the thoughts of the child by lying, in order to control their behaviour.

"You better watch out
You better not cry
You better not pout
I'm telling you why
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town

He's making a list,
Checking it twice;
Gonna find out who's naughty or nice.
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town

He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake "

The concept of the design is to allow a single watchman to observe (-opticon) all (pan-) inmates of an institution without them being able to tell whether they are being watched or not. Although it is physically impossible for the single watchman to observe all cells at once, the fact that the inmates cannot know when they are being watched means that all inmates must act as though they are watched at all times, effectively controlling their own behavior constantly.

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Is it OK to lie to your kids about Santa? 21 Dec 2013 23:04 #231

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Space Bandit wrote:
oioioi wrote:
Without the myth of santa I wouldn't have questioned authority to the extent of becoming an anarchist :P

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Now if only that were true of everybody.....
instead it just perpetuates capitalism!
:D

A bearded wierdo in a red costume watching you 24/7 and redistributing "free" goods to those whose behaviour pleases him and his grand council of elves?

Marx Santa
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Reptired wrote:
Space Bandit wrote:
oioioi wrote:
Without the myth of santa I wouldn't have questioned authority to the extent of becoming an anarchist :P

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Now if only that were true of everybody.....
instead it just perpetuates capitalism!
:D

A bearded wierdo in a red costume watching you 24/7 and redistributing "free" goods to those whose behaviour pleases him and his grand council of elves?

Marx Santa

I said anarchist, you heard....

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Is it OK to lie to your kids about Santa? 21 Dec 2013 23:10 #233

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oioioi wrote:
Reptired wrote:
Space Bandit wrote:
oioioi wrote:
Without the myth of santa I wouldn't have questioned authority to the extent of becoming an anarchist :P

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Now if only that were true of everybody.....
instead it just perpetuates capitalism!
:D

A bearded wierdo in a red costume watching you 24/7 and redistributing "free" goods to those whose behaviour pleases him and his grand council of elves?

Marx Santa

I said anarchist, you heard....

:roll:

I wasn't replying to your post, but you're correct, when you say anarchist I read that as socialist/marxist/communist.
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Is it OK to lie to your kids about Santa? 21 Dec 2013 23:32 #236

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Reptired wrote:
Space Bandit wrote:
Reptired wrote:
Gilly wrote:
Reptired wrote:
You don't have the capacity to recognise rational, critical thinking, you make your mind up and then censor anything that may prove you incorrect, you are preventing yourself from thinking at all, I would guess it's as a defence mechanism against facing up to what you have done to your children.

"Who do you think's going to spend time reading any of that shit if it's led you to draw the conclusions you've presented here?"

You've failed to grasp so many comments in the thread from people speaking of common-sense practicalities, that it seems pointless attempting to educate you.

Re the bolded bit - shove your encyclopedia of BS up your imbecilic arse, and come back & tell us about it when you've tried rearing children by the methods you advocate.

The fact that rearing children may be difficult is not an excuse to abuse them, much like a difficult relationship is not an excuse to abuse a partner, or like it's not acceptable to abuse an elderly parent who may be suffering from dementia and acting in much the same way a child might. There is simply no moral or rational excuse for abusing people, including "common-sense practicalities".

Are you saying that lying about Santa is a form of abuse?

At best it's a form of mind control... as has been pointed out it's a bit of a game... but who for? Does the child know it's a game?
It's obvious though that kids don't come out of it mentally scarred, so even that I think is a bit of a stretch.
But for me, it's just not anarchy to tell your kids lies about Santa. :P Traditions.... eearggh!

Yeah, I think it has a lot of potential to destroy trust between a parent and child, my personal experience of Santa and Jesus left me with the impression that my parents were both incompetent and liars by the time I was eight or so.

It left a big impression on me, I think it leaves a similar impression on most people, but that's just my experience and opinion.

I'm not suggesting most parents go into it intentionally trying to hurt the child, I think it's just unconscious repetition of culture for the most part, it is certainly used as behaviour modification for the benefit of the parent in the same way as religion is, mind control really isn't too far off, you are controlling the thoughts of the child by lying, in order to control their behaviour.

"You better watch out
You better not cry
You better not pout
I'm telling you why
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town

He's making a list,
Checking it twice;
Gonna find out who's naughty or nice.
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town
Santa Claus is coming to town

He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake "

The concept of the design is to allow a single watchman to observe (-opticon) all (pan-) inmates of an institution without them being able to tell whether they are being watched or not. Although it is physically impossible for the single watchman to observe all cells at once, the fact that the inmates cannot know when they are being watched means that all inmates must act as though they are watched at all times, effectively controlling their own behavior constantly.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon

How do these emotional scars left by your parent's deceit about Santa manifest themselves now?
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Is it OK to lie to your kids about Santa? 21 Dec 2013 23:34 #237

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Chattin utter shite on the internet for hours? :dunno:
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Reptired wrote:
when you say anarchist I read that as socialist/marxist/communist.
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you really need to go play with a creche full of kids and learn to see the world through their eyes.....you should maybe take reptired with you too. You'll find it very enlightening.
Out of the mouths of babes an' all that.

:jane:

And why do you think that I, or Reptired for that matter, "need" to do such a thing?

Well duuuuhhhh it's self evident you dingbat!
You obviously have no idea how to embrace the world children live in.
As adults, the world would be a better place if we started looking at it through children's eyes........and even accepting their 'invisible' friends.
The world is full of colour......but you are obviously looking at it through monochrome glasses

:jane:

You are absolutely amazing!!!

Truly, to be able to know all of that about me without ever having met me, you must be physchic.

What else can you tell me about myself that you obviously know about me better than I do myself?
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angelchemuel wrote:
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angelchemuel wrote:
you really need to go play with a creche full of kids and learn to see the world through their eyes.....you should maybe take reptired with you too. You'll find it very enlightening.
Out of the mouths of babes an' all that.

:jane:

Would you care to enlighten us?
I don't think handing a child over to some other people at such a young age is a good is a for the child by the way, not a place to meet healthy children.

Yes I will enlighten you.....the creche analogy was to have you and IAAwhatevA overdosed on young children.
But having had my second brew, I've had a second thought...you two would probably damage and mentally scar them for the rest of their lives!

As you have asked me a question and I have answered it....allow me to ask you and IAAwhatevA one, and show me the same respect and answer it please......
Do you have children?
I am just curious and am not going to pass any comment whatsoever on whether your answer is a yay or a nay..I promise.
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It's amazing how many people that attempt to belittle me in some manner start out with making up something about/with my forum ID. :roll: Kinda obvious that one huh.

As to your question ...

It is ambiguous to say the least. Are you inferring that I can own a child when you state "have"?

Or is it euphemistic for procreating?

As far as I am aware, I have not procreated.

The thrust of your question appears to be aimed at experience in raising children, of which I have experience raising two children (not mine though). Do I get extra credits for them not being my offspring?

Apart from that, for 44 years I have been in a parent child relationship, which is a fair number of years in relationship to experience. Are you going to count that as well?

What about baby sitting my sisters children, does that count in the experience stakes?

Of course, thinking about such things will ruin the judgements that you have made about me and those that you were about to make. ;)
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