Ab Origine wrote:
Nobody?

I don't really understand why rep's posts have riled you all...but then, I don't have children.

I'd like to think I'd make a good parent though, but I suppose everyone does before they actually have children. It does seem though that Rep has received a bit of a hard ride in here.

I actually found many of his posts quite interesting in relation to the op. I also found some of the jibes at his expense (unless it's just a joke that you're all in on?) a bit unnecessary. Again, I may not be privy to all info but it didn't make for pleasant reading, you know, just so you know.

Re. the op, I can't think of anything simpler than explaining to a child why you will/won't be celebrating something, if they are old enough to comprehend the concept of celebration in the first place? Surely, if an annual even such as Christmas, and whatever traditions that may entail in your own household, can so easily be normalised and accepted, the opposite could also be true? Granted, it may get difficult at school-age but of the children I know, and there aren't many, they appear to respond much better to truth and facts than fear, intimidation, or lies which I gather was the gist of rep's posts for the most part.

It would appear that the general consensus is that those without children can't reasonably be expected to have an opinion on the subject (even if the subject were discipline and children). I think this unfortunate, and very un'SZ like, if I may say so.

I also humbly suggest, perhaps the thread be split as although similar, there appear to be some quite strong views about Xmas and discipline which may be better served with their own threads.

feather wrote:


Ab Origine wrote:



And just incase it needed pointing out again, nobody here has ever denied that child abuse is a serious and damaging thing, or have argued in its favour, despite Rep and IAAIA's best attempts to spin it that way, for fuck's sake!!!

@ IAAIA - I can't be mithered going back over the thread to grab quotes, but the point is you and Rep were off with the lying about Santa being child abuse from the get go, which is what I was referring to.

As for, "I also find the personal attacks, condescension, etc, etc, aimed at..."

...and, " It would be great to see a little more respect of other forum members, whatever the reason for the abuse."

I've got a good idea. How about you practice what you preach? That would be cool.

This whole thread is a shambles.

How do these emotional scars left by your parent's deceit about Santa manifest themselves now?

Space Bandit wrote:
It's a strange question for you to ask, given the family situation you described, if you had really come to terms with your own situation you would not ask me this question, perhaps you would not have started the discussion.

Reptired wrote:
Not really they are 2 separate issues.
Being lied to about Santa has not affected me one jot. I used to enjoy it and I remember finding it quite funny when I found out it was a myth.
& how would anything that's happened to me make me know how you've been emotionally afflicted by it? Does everybody's mind work the same?

Space Bandit wrote:
I don't think you're interested in my experience, I think you're more interested in your own, whether you admit that to yourself or not, given the nature of the depth of the lies told to you by your family this just seems like a safe way to explore the issue, but I think you'd be better off addressing it head on.
You're claiming that your parents lying to you in certain contexts didn't effect you is not believable to me.
Excluding a small percentage of the population who have extreme conditions like sociopathy, human psychology is pretty uniform.

Tbf iaaia, i dont recall you doing that. My recollection is of you being offline at the time rep was calling us all abusers.
I do also recall a bit of a spat recently though where you may have posted some stuff that showed another poster little respect. So i do find your call for others to show respect rather

No, you didn't use the words 'Child abuse', but according to you, those of us who tell our kids about Santa are on a par with the government & MSM, and don't wish to admit it. (So that's not accusing us of abusing our kids, is it! )

knobmeup wrote:
Thank you for the honesty mate, I appreciate it.

Do you mean my response to Dawnbreak after she labelled me as misogynistic?

If so, I agree that I showed little respect in my response to such an allegation. I didn't resort to name calling though, which appears to be something that those accusing me of being abusive, a bully, misogynistic, a horrible bastard, etc, etc, do on a regular basis, with the justification that they have been abused. There appears to be a double standard in regards to name calling and making false accusations against an individual based upon popularity.

If Shake had accused me of being a misogynist, would my response have drawn the same reaction?

Are some people allowed to name call and make false accusation while others are not allowed to without being set upon by others?

Amazing how easily people look for a scapegoat, a strawman to attack when faced with the responsibility of their own actions.

Again, thank you for your honesty.