Maybe the culmination of this discussion could be what category to put csa threads into....

No, SB...
The culmination should be, as in all good threads, "the righteous monobrow prevails."

I get whats going on now sort off.

A few things to consider,

people cant just show up and demand shit,
What ever was of is posted on here is of very little consiquence to the outside world, or sean of ufochick
As wub says, if you have real concerns go to the police or the press, otherwise its navel gazing crusade truther bolloxs
A sub forum filled with gossip, inuedo and hyperbole will just be pointless.

But im hardly here so it makes little diffenrce to me but i do have some affiliation to many of you after our mighty and heroic struggle against the facist hoards, power to the people!

So IWTT, I'd suggest here for your resources as an obvious place: sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/demonstrations-d...-roots-politics.html

dubmeup wrote:
Thank you!

For my sanity more than owt. It's been driving me bonkers what we're actually all falling out about!

I'm against any child abuse threads/sub forums being created, and won't post on them if they are, we have the one about TPV child abuse concerns. which has proved that posters are already speculating why facts don't exist, instead of admitting that they don't exist, until they can prove that they do.

I'm also aware that when the non existence of facts is pointed out, then we need another thread to discuss that, because it hinders their speculation game, for me no thanks.

oioioi wrote:

I ain't helped by posting when I know myself that I should step away from the PC

While some members are all for it, and others are strongly against it, we need to put it to a proper vote, with clear guidelines of cut off date & what majority margin is acceptable to carry it.. *Edit* And it needs to be crystal clear what's being voted on - for eg. it's one thing encouraging letter templates / petitions & the like, whereas it's another agreeing to let people speculate all kinds anything about people who may be totally innocent.

It looks like some of those who apparently only joined for the purpose of contributing to that particular topic have already gone off in a huff - maybe because they're not accustomed to the tradition here of people trying to talk things through to reach a consensus. At least a lot of points have been raised on this thread both for and against. It's a pity some of those who are supposedly so passionate about it couldn't be bothered presenting a case for themselves.

feather wrote:
This is post forty from page two

As it stands, I have another twelve pages to read and I'm hoping feathers comment has undergone some serious consideration.
Here's hoping.....

It's important not to overreact to a few people - whilst at the same time respecting their viewpoint.

Always a tricky tightrope on any forum.

psketti wrote:
Don't recriminate yourself. It's a highly emotive subject, and you gave an honest reaction.

Blue_Tackler wrote:
i have posted concerns on that thread twice and i have been invited to start another thread to discuss my concerns

soon there will be a thread about a thread about a thread etc etc etc

Gilly wrote:
Throw that into the mix of everything that had immediately preceded it here..... I don't think anyone should be beating themselves up about getting stuck into the matter and caring about both the subject in hand and the forum in general. We get there in the end.

scaltura wrote:

In other words ''If you disagree, go disagree elsewhere''

Blue_Tackler wrote:
the best bit is , on a truth site things like that don't go unnoticed

hence this thread

oioioi wrote:

Aye... never the easy route though eh

I'm still a bit unclear tbh, perhaps more so than when I logged off earlier.

Thank you to IWTT for that gracious and informative reply.
That, for me, was what was missing, an explanation of WHAT was proposed to be housed here. It's content and purpose.
I have no issue with that and like others who have commented I find it very, organised, astute and laudable.

My confusion now lies with what the other (Please forgive this title for now) former JS thread participants require.
If it is a continuation of the (imo) low standards, speculative, have fun with abused kids Cludeo which I witnessed at points in that thread then sorry, I can't share space with that.

This forum belongs to all of us. We have a duty of care to it, each of us.
If we treat it, or allow it to be treated irresponsibly, everyone will lose it. It's not to do with "us" or "them" is now about "we".

Emotions ran high because each participant has strong convictions, (especially about children).
Let's hit the reset button, drop the volume and even if we can't accommodate everyone's wants, at least let's be clear about what those wants are.

feather wrote:

The discussion on the TPV/coverage thread shows clearly that this is where the problems are going to lie and unless the people posting take more attention to what they're actually saying via that post, then it's going to continue to be a problem.

Another concern is knowing that somewhere down the line we will classed as 'the baddies' down to the way such posts are responded to.

Tbf sket, I've already seen posts that basically label folk as baddies. I think it was largely misunderstanding flying about.

But....let's go >>>>> eh?

We've only been able to go this far >>>>>>>> because we were given clarification from IWTT.

In order to move >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this far forward I think we still need clarification from the other peeps engaged with this topic.

Progress can only be made if we're all talking about the same thing.