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To all members... 09 Feb 2014 16:24 #561

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atwood wrote:
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Decisions were made out of common sense.

Yes and they were also made over fear of repercussions.

Nothing wrong with that.

So you're ignoring the remarks about concern for the protection of 3rd parties then.
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atwood wrote:
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Decisions were made out of common sense.
Yes and they were also made over fear of repercussions.
Nothing wrong with that.
It's not an imagined 'fear' though is it? (a term I would not have used tbf)
The owner of the site is a publisher under law.
If they allow defamation to be published on their site they enable the dissemination of that defamation and are culpable in the act.

The number of previous court findings against individuals is completely immaterial.
As is whether the defined route to said defamation is slander or libel, it's still defamation.

There is another aspect though which is not being addressed openly.
Whether we as a group, (regardless of legal constraints), believe it correct and defensible to ourselves, that individuals or groups may be named and/or accused in relation to illegal or socially unacceptable acts without corroborated evidence.

My reading of the discussions so far is that the group do not believe that course is correct or defensible and have therefore rejected it as a standard here.
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To all members... 09 Feb 2014 16:54 #563

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Gilly wrote:
atwood wrote:
marina wrote:
Decisions were made out of common sense.

Yes and they were also made over fear of repercussions.

Nothing wrong with that.

So you're ignoring the remarks about concern for the protection of 3rd parties then.

Precisely Gilly!
1. The victim(s)
2. The relatives of the alleged or convicted person.
"Like a lotus flower that grows out of the mud and blossoms above the muddy water surface,
we can rise above our defilements and sufferings of life" - Buddhist Value
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And those accused who may be innocent. Well, it's all been stated repeatedly, so if Atwood still doesn't get it, it's not because people have been vague or ambiguous.
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marina wrote:
Gilly wrote:
atwood wrote:
marina wrote:
Decisions were made out of common sense.

Yes and they were also made over fear of repercussions.

Nothing wrong with that.

So you're ignoring the remarks about concern for the protection of 3rd parties then.

Precisely Gilly!
1. The victim(s)
2. The relatives of the alleged or convicted person.

Oh fuck them, let's just think of ourselves and high five each other over the internet.
But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma,
a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.
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To all members... 09 Feb 2014 17:36 #566

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atwood wrote:
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Psketti I said it was paranoia questioning my motive, I still think it is as you have questioned me again, I am just discussing a topic, absolutely no "shit stirring" on my part. Also the fear statement isn't meant as an insult, it's just a fact, decisions have been made out of fear of repercussions, that's correct isn't it?


No it isn't.

The decisions were made out of pure common sense and the fact that its a small forum and if we'd opened a sub-forum on this subject, it likely would have had the faciliatators running about 24/7 cleaning up speculative crap most of the time, if the savile thread over on DI is anything to go on.

And personally, I dont believe you're not trying to shit stir and I've been doing this long enough now to trust my nose when I smell it.

I agree, it is easier all around for the admin just stop it.

Like somebody pointed out earlier there are other forums out there if people wish to post their stories.

listen, all I am doing is discussing a topic, if you class that as shit stirring then so be it.


The bolded part...

This has already been covered numerous times and absolutely no where does it say we've 'stopped it' or otherwise. Therefore as you repeatedly keep glossing over parts whilst poking away at other bits to suit yourself, I'm sticking with my assumption that you're going out of your way to stir shit.

And I'm bored of you now.
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Re:To all members... 09 Feb 2014 17:39 #567

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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
mikey mikey wrote:
Whether or not a forum owner has been arrested is not really the point.



One should not take risks with another person's legal ramifications.



Especially when one has been explicitly asked not to.



That is how I see it, at least.




andyh wrote:
atwood wrote:
psketti wrote:
atwood wrote:



I just don't understand the danger to the owner of the forum.





It's been stated clearly throughout this thread that it's more than just the libel issuse that may arise and if you'd read the thread you would know this.



So on that basis I have to ask, do you have a specific reason that keeps bringing you back to poke at this particular subject?



of course I have read the thread, is my question not valid?



If no forum owner has ever been prosecuted for content posted on said forum, why the need for censorship?



No need to take my question so personal, surely it is a question that is valid for all forums and life in general? Does the threat of punishment stop us acting in ways we wish, also it makes it imperative that we know our rights.



Because certain people are watching this forum like hawks for the slightest chance they can get.

Subtle hint- DIF.



I find it funny as fuck that in one breath your all anarchists wanting to fuck the system, then next breath I must conform :killinme:



As for the DI forum doing a dub and grassing you up, I think they are on slippery ground with the shit they post on that site :coffee:



As to sites being shut by the authorities, lol, yep a major threat SZ is :axe: The viewing figures number in the millions :band:



By certain butthurt people with private legal cases, not the authorities
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To all members... 09 Feb 2014 17:43 #568

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entrangermercenary1 wrote:

As for the DI forum doing a dub and grassing you up,

Eh?
If you have any issues with the forum or it's members, for a speedier response, rather than pressing the report button, please post them here: sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/Forum-Projects--...scussion-thread.html
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To all members... 09 Feb 2014 18:20 #569

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He has taken issue with my letting a few potentially interested pressure groups know about the bigotry at the dif, oi.

As is his prerogative ofc. :coffee:
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To all members... 09 Feb 2014 20:56 #570

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Gilly wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
I find it funny as fuck that in one breath your all anarchists wanting to fuck the system, then next breath I must conform :killinme:

As for the DI forum doing a dub and grassing you up, I think they are on slippery ground with the shit they post on that site :coffee:

As to sites being shut by the authorities, lol, yep a major threat SZ is :axe: The viewing figures number in the millions :band:

What a moronic response, Ent. :devilgirl:

1). Who said we're all anarchists? You've never heard me give myself that or any other label, so stop making things up. It's naughty.

2). If you don't conform to these particular laws, you risk losing the forum. We'd rather not lose the forum. So even if we disapproved of the regulations, we'd potentially be doing our own community harm by rebelling. Since many have voiced concern for third parties possibly being affected by unsubstantiated claims, it's rational to state that we approve. So why would we wish to rebel? Make sense will you?

3). Stop being an arse re Dub - you're boring.

4). If someone from DIF, eg. Wilderbeest, spotted an opportunity to lodge an official complaint, what makes you deduce that she'd do so in the name of DIF? DIF would have no relevance to any such action, and wouldn't enter into the equation, so there'd be no case for counter-claiming.

5). Size of forum membership / viewing figures have nothing to do with it. If you're seen to fall foul of regulations, they can quickly put you out of action.

If you 're going to contribute, learn to comprehend FFS! :bat:

I love it when you get all dominant :emb: :kisskiss: :marx:

1. Ok so not all anarchists but extreme anti establishment :killinme: When something serious happens who is the first port of call ...the police, as you well know :)

2. Where are all these internet forums that have been sued and closed down ? :roll:

3. Dub is a grass by his own admission

4. Seems the DIF is still dictating ;policy here :rofl:

5. "They" who is they ? And if you lot have not got each others contact details in case things go tits up then I suggest you crack on and sort it out. Hardly mission impossible to set a new forum up, and as several members have clearly stated they dont give a fuck if the forum or new members do arrive at SZ they are happy how it is :O
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To all members... 09 Feb 2014 21:00 #571

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entrangermercenary1 wrote:
2. Where are all these internet forums that have been sued and closed down ? :roll:

:chin:

:arrowleft: *not sure if actually taking the piss or not*
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Oh Dear...... :gmc:

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To all members... 09 Feb 2014 21:34 #574

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Ab Origine wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
2. Where are all these internet forums that have been sued and closed down ? :roll:

:chin:

:arrowleft: *not sure if actually taking the piss or not*

:conf:

have you been sued abs ? shut down ? :couch:
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If they've been shut down they're not going to be there are they?
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What fev said.
What we are today comes from our thoughts of yesterday, and our present thoughts build our life of tomorrow: Our life is the creation of our mind.

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that aimed at me ?

"edit" ah i see , i ask someone a question someone else answers :think:

I was asking if you Abs had been personally sued , or if you had owned a site that had been shut down ?
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scaltura wrote:
that aimed at me ?
If by "aimed at you" you mean "was that answering my question?", then yes.
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feather wrote:
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that aimed at me ?
If by "aimed at you" you mean "was that answering my question?", then yes.

No , not really .

When did you become Abs ?
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scaltura wrote:
feather wrote:
scaltura wrote:
that aimed at me ?
If by "aimed at you" you mean "was that answering my question?", then yes.

No , not really .

When did you become Abs ?

He wishes he was me...

But in my absence, he politely interpreted my meaning. I don't perceive there was any malice involved whatsoever.

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