I knew you were a particular kind of cunt.

Sadly, I'm quite sickened to have been right.

psketti wrote:
I will never think that homosexuality is normal. It's not like you explained your opinion that homosexuality is normal. You just asserted it. You seem to think it's ok for you to do this, but not for those that disagree with you. Fair enough.

Hey I intended this to be about the science / genetics / evolution

ETA: F'kinnell, there's always one

I will never think that homosexuality is normal. It's not like you explained your opinion that homosexuality is normal. You just asserted it. You seem to think it's ok for you to do this, but not for those that disagree with you. Fair enough.

grackus wrote:
So its an illness that can be treated?

andyh wrote:
Bit of a stretch. How did you arrive at that conclusion? Explain how me thinking that homosexuality is not normal means that I really think it is an illness? Please spell it out for me in logical steps.

So its an illness that can be treated?

andyh wrote:
I'm just going to ignore any other branching off of what's going on here (not you, Andy, & I know this post quoted wasn't directed at me, but I'm going to pick it up anyway )

Regardless of what anybody wants to call it, the fact is, if scientists ever find out what causes homosexuality, or makes it more likely to occur (if it is pre-conception or birth), then does that leave us with a potential choice?

& if so, who's making that choice? Is it an informed choice? & for what reasons?

grackus wrote:
Where as you on the otherhand seem to think that someones sexuality between consenting adults is somehow linked to the most dispicable act a human being can commit on another.

Prick.

grackus wrote:
Its either a natural occurrence and therefore 'normal' or it isn't.

andyh wrote:
Is murder a natural occurrence?

Anyone can say the only goal is to pass on DNA. It doesn't make them right.
There are many things that get passed on besides genes and it should be obvious

Even a man who thought that women want to have sex with their fathers, and that women spend much of their lives distraught over their lack of a penis, is right sometimes. This person, the legend that is Sigmund Freud, theorized that people often have the most hateful and negative attitudes towards things they secretly crave, but feel that they shouldn't have.

If Freud is right, then perhaps men who are the most opposed to male homosexuality have particularly strong homosexual urges for other men.

One study asked heterosexal men how comfortable and anxious they are around gay men. Based on these scores, they then divided these men into two groups: men that are homophobic, and men who are not. These men were then shown three, four-minute videos. One video depicted straight sex, one depicted lesbian sex and one depicted gay male sex. While this was happening, a device was attached to each participant's penis. This device has been found to be triggered by sexual arousal, but not other types of arousal (such as nervousness, or fear - arousal often has a very different meaning in psychology than in popular usage).

When viewing lesbian sex and straight sex, both the homophobic and the non-homophobic men showed increased penis circumference. For gay male sex, however, only the homophobic men showed heightened penis arousal.

Heterosexual men with the most anti-gay attitudes, when asked, reported not being sexually aroused by gay male sex videos. But, their penises reported otherwise.

Homophobic men were the most sexually aroused by gay male sex acts.

unmasked wrote:
We could ask the same about many other aspects we might consider to be genetic.
Its touching on aspects brought up in films like Gattaca for example, which tbh asks some questions of far greater import IMHO than the likes of other dystopian books/films such as Orwell/Huxley which get more focus.

andyh wrote:
What other things get passed on? Do you mean things like moral values or something else?

However the normalising of homosexuality has come before the normalising of paedophilia, so it can't be that bad, right?

Why does homosexuality exist when Richard Dawkins says there is no goal in life other than to pass on our DNA? You know the kinds of questions.

Do you have children grakus? What would you do if one of them turned out to be gay?