Sanctum Zone

Keyword
A+ A A-
Welcome, Guest
Username: Password: Remember me

TOPIC: Ukraine gas and guess who.

Ukraine gas and guess who. 19 Mar 2014 20:35 #361

  • mikey mikey
  • mikey mikey's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 6518
  • Thank you received: 3378
  • Karma: 23
I wonder if you average Pole remembers Nazis warmly ;)
thank you St Jude for favours granted
You must register to post here.
The following user(s) said Thank You: Hexhammer

Ukraine gas and guess who. 19 Mar 2014 23:13 #362

  • oioioi
  • oioioi's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Zone Facilitator
  • Rankmod
  • with my droogs
  • Posts: 13058
  • Thank you received: 7307
  • Karma: 91
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
A polish friend came back today. Opted not to badger him tonight but tomorrow i will certainly be asking him what the word on the street is over there at the moment.
I have some suspicions and concerns. It would be nice if he assuages them.

Oh I bet your polish friend has lots of good words for the Russians :killinme: :rofl: :killinme: :smoking:

There's that 'man on the ground' insight we've come to expect from one so experienced in the field. Unfortunately it is becoming more and more obvious which 'field' that is.
If you have any issues with the forum or it's members, for a speedier response, rather than pressing the report button, please post them here: sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/Forum-Projects--...scussion-thread.html
Last Edit: 19 Mar 2014 23:14 by oioioi.
You must register to post here.

Ukraine gas and guess who. 20 Mar 2014 18:50 #363

  • angelchemuel
  • angelchemuel's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 2901
  • Thank you received: 1356
  • Karma: 11
Ukraine Goes Cyprus 2.0, To Tax Deposits Over 100,000 Hryvnia (To Appease IMF?)
It would appear the IMF's dirty little fingerprints are all over this latest piece of legislation in Ukraine. The Ukraine Finance Ministry is proposing to take a very-similar-to-Cyprus approach to bailing in its despositors:

*UKRAINE PROPOSES NEW TAX ON DEPOSITS EXCEEDING 100,000 HRYVNIA
*UKRAINE TAX PROPOSAL WOULD INCLUDE 1.5% OF ALL DEPOSITS
This would appear a measure designed to stabilize the budget for potential IMF negotiations and fits perfectly with what the IMF has consistently hinted as the next steps for many nations.



This is further to the news last week that a 25% deposit "tax" was being considered...

Via Tax News,

Ukraine's parliament is to consider draft laws which would ban foreign-currency bank deposits and introduce a 25% tax on interest on deposits in banks and other financial institutions in circumstances where the interest received is more than 5% above the rate set by the National Bank of Ukraine.

The proposed amendments to banking and tax legislation were put forward by Yevhen Sihal, who is a member of the country's ruling Party of Regions. In an explanatory note submitted with the drafts, he argued that the higher tax rate will encourage consumer spending, reduce the cost of business loans, and provide extra funding for the country's Pension Fund. Sihal also explained that his tax proposal is based on the experience of the Russian Federation.

Sihal's proposals have united the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU) and the country's Communist Party in opposition. The NBU was quoted as saying that it was concerned about the politicization of economic issues, and that its policy was to increase the deposit base in line with international practice, while Communist leader Petro Symonenko suggested that the owners of large deposits will simply move their funds abroad to avoid the tax.
We assume, just as with Cyprus, that the big money has already left the building leaving small businesses and the average joe to foot the IMF-demanding bill (for the good of the country) to get their bailout funds.

www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/ukrain...-hryvnia-appease-imf

And there you have it folks.....Putin wins land and secures his gas pipeline, the banksters/IMF get their pound of flesh.....and the PEOPLE are left to rot in hell......CASE CLOSED
"love it better"
the more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war
Last Edit: 20 Mar 2014 19:00 by angelchemuel.
You must register to post here.

Ukraine gas and guess who. 20 Mar 2014 18:58 #364

  • andyh
  • andyh's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Rank6
  • Posts: 10337
  • Thank you received: 3545
  • Karma: 62
We assume, just as with Cyprus, that the big money has already left the building leaving small businesses and the average joe to foot the IMF-demanding bill (for the good of the country) to get their bailout funds.


True enough, looks like zerohedge are cottoning on a bit now :)
“Fascists are not human. A snake is more human.” - Hugo Chávez
You must register to post here.

Ukraine gas and guess who. 20 Mar 2014 19:20 #365

  • wake_up_bomb
  • wake_up_bomb's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 5063
  • Thank you received: 4418
  • Karma: 56
angelchemuel wrote:
www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/ukrain...-hryvnia-appease-imf

And there you have it folks.....Putin wins land and secures his gas pipeline, the banksters/IMF get their pound of flesh.....and the PEOPLE are left to rot in hell......CASE CLOSED
Hey, don't worry, I'm sure everyone will hear about this on the BBC.
The true measure of a man is not his intelligence or how high he rises in this freak establishment. The true measure of a man is this: how quickly he can respond to the needs of others and how much of himself he can give - Philip K. Dick.
You must register to post here.

Ukraine gas and guess who. 20 Mar 2014 19:48 #366

  • oioioi
  • oioioi's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Zone Facilitator
  • Rankmod
  • with my droogs
  • Posts: 13058
  • Thank you received: 7307
  • Karma: 91
If you have any issues with the forum or it's members, for a speedier response, rather than pressing the report button, please post them here: sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/Forum-Projects--...scussion-thread.html
You must register to post here.
The following user(s) said Thank You: Quality Street

Ukraine gas and guess who. 21 Mar 2014 14:37 #367

  • wake_up_bomb
  • wake_up_bomb's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 5063
  • Thank you received: 4418
  • Karma: 56
www.silverdoctors.com/the-big-lie-what-h...ed-to-ukraines-gold/
The Big Lie is that Central Banks don’t care about gold. Nothing could be further from the truth.

According to public records, the Government of Ukraine owns 33 tonnes of gold that was being safekept in Ukraine. Last week a Ukrainian newspaper reported that acting PM Arseny Yatsenyuk ordered the transfer of that gold to the United States.

Unfortunately, it is likely that the citizens of Ukraine will end up paying a major price for allowing the U.S. to “safekeep” their sovereign gold.

The Ukrainian gold reserves have been delivered safely to vaults in China under U.S./UK bullion bank contractual delivery obligations, where it will be locked away for centuries.

All this skullduggery over a barbarous relic that has been deemed irrelevant by the U.S. Federal Reserve.

The Big Lie is that Central Banks don’t care about gold. Nothing could be further from the truth. Ben Bernanke more than once claimed that he didn’t understand gold. When Ron Paul asked Bernanke in front of Congress why Central Banks own gold if it’s irrelevant, Bernanke flippantly suggested that it was out of tradition. In both cases Bernanke was lying and he knew it.

In comparison, Greenspan seemed to have some respect for the laws of economics and – at least that I can recall – never would outright state that gold was not an economic factor. Greenspan lied as much as Bernanke did about everything else but he never committed himself to lie about gold. Most of you have probably read Greenspan’s 1966 essay, “Gold and Economic Freedom” (linked). I have read it several times because it explains as well as anything out there why gold works as a currency and why Government-issued fiat currency does not.

What I find amazing about The Big Lie about Central Banks and gold is that if gold really is considered to be irrelevant, the how come Central Banks – especially the Fed – are so secretive about their gold storage and trading activities? What’s even more amazing is that no one other than Ron Paul and GATA asks them about this. Think about it. GATA spent a lot of money on legal fees attempting to get the Fed to publicly disclose its records related to the Fed’s gold activities. The Fed spent even more money denying GATA’s quest. And how come the Fed won’t submit to a public, independent audit of its gold vaults?

This brings me to the issue of the Ukraine’s gold. According to public records, the Government of Ukraine owns 33 tonnes of gold that was being safekept in Ukraine. Last week a Ukrainian newspaper reported that acting PM Arseny Yatsenyuk ordered the transfer of that gold to the United States. The actual report is here: LINK. Jesse’s Cafe Americain provided a translated version here: LINK.

On the assumption that the report is true, and so far I have not seen any commentary or articles suggesting it is not true, the biggest question is, how come the U.S. has absolutely no problem loading up and transporting 33 tonnes of gold from Ukraine to the U.S. but seems to have difficulty loading up and transporting any of Germany’s gold from New York to Berlin? And how come the U.S. and Ukraine seem to care about that gold at all, if indeed gold is irrelevant? It would seem that it would be a lot less expensive and logistically complicated just to have the U.S. military post a few armed guards around the gold if they’re worried about theft. On the other hand, I’m sure Putin would be happy to buy the gold from Ukraine.

What makes the story even more interesting is that GATA’s Chris Powell has spent considerable time trying to get an answer to the question of whether or not the U.S. has taken custody of Ukraine’s gold. When he queried the NY Fed, they responded with: “A spokesman for the New York Fed said simply: “Any inquiry regarding gold accounts should be directed to the account holder. You may want to contact the National Bank of Ukraine to discuss this report” (LINK). After trying for two days to get an answer from the U.S. State Department, they finally responded by referring him to the NY Fed (LINK).

The final piece in verifying that the report is true is deflection from Ukraine. Mr. Powell has queried the National Bank of Ukraine, the Ukrainian Embassy in DC and the Ukrainian mission to the UN in NYC. Crickets. As Chris states the case: “The difficulty in getting a straight answer here is pretty good evidence that the Ukrainian gold indeed has been sent to the United States.”

Unfortunately, it is likely that the citizens of Ukraine will end up paying the same price for allowing the U.S. to “safekeep” their sovereign gold. That price is the comforting knowledge that their gold has been delivered safely to vaults in China under U.S./UK bullion bank contractual delivery obligations, where it will be locked away for centuries.

All this skullduggery over a barbarous relic that has been deemed irrelevant by the U.S. Federal Reserve.
You can follow the links on the SilverDoctors website.
The true measure of a man is not his intelligence or how high he rises in this freak establishment. The true measure of a man is this: how quickly he can respond to the needs of others and how much of himself he can give - Philip K. Dick.
Last Edit: 21 Mar 2014 14:38 by wake_up_bomb.
You must register to post here.
The following user(s) said Thank You: oioioi, Quality Street

Ukraine gas and guess who. 22 Mar 2014 09:20 #368

  • dubmeup
  • dubmeup's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 3239
  • Thank you received: 2296
  • Karma: 0
The BBC have finally allowed folk to have a say. Only on the subject of sanctions but heh:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26680182
Some of the comments are staggering so go on folks, get over there and have your say.
"laws are unenforceable if the majority break them."-humanspirit,
"avoid the concept of an ambassador for truth altogether"-gilly.
You must register to post here.

Ukraine gas and guess who. 22 Mar 2014 09:48 #369

  • dubmeup
  • dubmeup's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 3239
  • Thank you received: 2296
  • Karma: 0
Fuck me the Beeb are on it today. My posts are being deleted in seconds :roll:
"laws are unenforceable if the majority break them."-humanspirit,
"avoid the concept of an ambassador for truth altogether"-gilly.
You must register to post here.

Ukraine gas and guess who. 22 Mar 2014 09:54 #370

  • dubmeup
  • dubmeup's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 3239
  • Thank you received: 2296
  • Karma: 0
Now they are pre moderating me :roll:
"laws are unenforceable if the majority break them."-humanspirit,
"avoid the concept of an ambassador for truth altogether"-gilly.
You must register to post here.

Ukraine gas and guess who. 22 Mar 2014 23:35 #371

  • entrangermercenary1
  • entrangermercenary1's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Voluntarily Inactive
  • Rank0
  • Posts: 1687
  • Thank you received: 333
  • Karma: 15
dubmeup wrote:
Now they are pre moderating me :roll:

Err do you have a life outside the keyboard ? :iitm:

So whats the verdict of your polish mate :sokay:
You must register to post here.

Ukraine gas and guess who. 22 Mar 2014 23:46 #372

  • dubmeup
  • dubmeup's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 3239
  • Thank you received: 2296
  • Karma: 0
Unfortunately merc, as you may have noticed from me status; yes i do have a life beyond a phone.
Sadly, current status has seen me unable to even think of going to see him so i can't answer you.


Now kindly fuck off.
"laws are unenforceable if the majority break them."-humanspirit,
"avoid the concept of an ambassador for truth altogether"-gilly.
You must register to post here.

Ukraine gas and guess who. 22 Mar 2014 23:49 #373

  • entrangermercenary1
  • entrangermercenary1's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Voluntarily Inactive
  • Rank0
  • Posts: 1687
  • Thank you received: 333
  • Karma: 15
dubmeup wrote:
Unfortunately merc, as you may have noticed from me status; yes i do have a life beyond a phone.
Sadly, current status has seen me unable to even think of going to see him so i can't answer you.


Now kindly fuck off.

:killinme:
But you time to post on here and the BBC all day :lolplac:

Use modern comms :facepalm:
You must register to post here.

Ukraine gas and guess who. 23 Mar 2014 12:01 #374

  • dubmeup
  • dubmeup's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 3239
  • Thank you received: 2296
  • Karma: 0
Mr Hague added: "Accelerating energy diversity in Europe may have to be part of our answer to recent events."

Using a broader mix of energy, including controversial fracking schemes, could be one of the methods used to reduce Russia's power, according to Mr Hague.

He said ideas were being discussed in Europe about how to "build greater energy security".

"If necessary, we should be prepared to diversify future sources of natural gas supplies to Europe, including through the Southern Corridor," he wrote.

"We would need to boost investment in gas interconnections and terminals in Europe, and develop indigenous European energy supplies for countries wishing to develop their own resources, such as shale gas.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26703514
:scotty:
"laws are unenforceable if the majority break them."-humanspirit,
"avoid the concept of an ambassador for truth altogether"-gilly.
Last Edit: 23 Mar 2014 12:02 by dubmeup.
You must register to post here.
The following user(s) said Thank You: Space Bandit

Ukraine gas and guess who. 23 Mar 2014 12:12 #375

  • Space Bandit
  • Space Bandit's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 3804
  • Thank you received: 2275
  • Karma: 70
I saw that one coming...
hey we've got no gas, now we'll have to frack the fuck out of everywhere and nobody can object.
Set the controls for the heart of the earth.
You must register to post here.

Ukraine gas and guess who. 23 Mar 2014 12:21 #376

  • batou
  • batou's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Forum Facilitator
  • Rankmod
  • Premier Subscriber
  • Posts: 4480
  • Thank you received: 3847
  • Karma: 91
More importantly will this affect the price of Russian caviar?
my limbless friend will die alone
a torso of flesh upon the throne

Violence is not the answer, it is the question. the answer is yes.
You must register to post here.

Ukraine gas and guess who. 23 Mar 2014 12:25 #377

  • entrangermercenary1
  • entrangermercenary1's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Voluntarily Inactive
  • Rank0
  • Posts: 1687
  • Thank you received: 333
  • Karma: 15
batou wrote:
More importantly will this affect the price of Russian caviar?

Well for the likes of me and you bats price is irrelevant...not sure if the peasents would be able to absorb a price increase though :wissl:
You must register to post here.

Ukraine gas and guess who. 23 Mar 2014 12:31 #378

  • batou
  • batou's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Forum Facilitator
  • Rankmod
  • Premier Subscriber
  • Posts: 4480
  • Thank you received: 3847
  • Karma: 91
I hope the plebs can at least fit stoli and bear skins in their budget still.
my limbless friend will die alone
a torso of flesh upon the throne

Violence is not the answer, it is the question. the answer is yes.
You must register to post here.

Ukraine gas and guess who. 23 Mar 2014 12:31 #379

  • mikey mikey
  • mikey mikey's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Gold Boarder
  • Rank5
  • Posts: 6518
  • Thank you received: 3378
  • Karma: 23
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Well for the likes of me and you bats price is irrelevant...

What you fish out of bins is cat food. They only told you it was caviar. Those perks of the job are not really perks.

Just like when they promised you that soldiers had loads of sex and the army recruiting office, they failed to mention that it would be non-consensual same sex sex.
thank you St Jude for favours granted
You must register to post here.

Ukraine gas and guess who. 23 Mar 2014 12:36 #380

  • entrangermercenary1
  • entrangermercenary1's Avatar
  • ZONED OUT
  • Voluntarily Inactive
  • Rank0
  • Posts: 1687
  • Thank you received: 333
  • Karma: 15
mikey mikey wrote:
entrangermercenary1 wrote:
Well for the likes of me and you bats price is irrelevant...

What you fish out of bins is cat food. They only told you it was caviar. Those perks of the job are not really perks.

Just like when they promised you that soldiers had loads of sex and the army recruiting office, they failed to mention that it would be non-consensual same sex sex.

A hole is a hole :gcat:

Bins hmmmmm yes they do have some tasty left overs the pig enjoys :AAAAHHHH:
You must register to post here.
Moderators: psketti, oioioi, batou
Time to create page: 0.154 seconds

Latest Members Blogs

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
Prev Next

What is going on when it comes to 9-11 I…

The EPA (environmental protection agency) and OSHA took air samples in the days following September 11th, they reported that they found no excessive levels of asbestos contrary to other findings....

Read more

9-11 Eleven Years Later

9-11 Eleven Years Later

With the anniversary of September 11th literally just around the corner, unanswered questions still remain for families who lost loved ones during the tragic event, as well as from families...

Read more

Strange Noises, Possible Link to Mass An…

Strange Noises, Possible Link to Mass Animal Deaths

In 2008 the U.S. Supreme Court agreed to review a series of lower court rulings that restrict the United States Navy's use of sonar in submarine detection training exercises off...

Read more

Annual Server Target

Whether its 50 cents or five dollars, your donations are appreciated and help keep this community site running so we can all continue to enjoy using it.
This target is to meet our server cost for one year, June 2020 - May 2021, in USD.
$ 340 - Target
( £ 250 GBP )
donation thermometer
donation thermometer
$ 192 - Raised
( £ 140 GBP )
donation thermometer
56%
Most Recent Donation:
$122 USD on 4th Jan 2021
Bitcoin Address: bc1q0kazqya0nurfxtunxv807vm0m8852nnrrk8mj8
 
Ethereum Address: 0xe69915c80dd75df19f438d556267e04f932f057d
 
More Info: Donation options for TZ

No one is obliged to donate, please only donate what you can afford. Even the smallest amount helps. Being an active member is a positive contribution. Thank You.

TradeZone Latest

Visitors

Today151
Yesterday330
Week902
Month22437
Total1097196

Your IP Address: 216.73.217.117 Your Browser and OS: Unknown - Unknown Wednesday, 29 July 2026 14:27

Who Is Online

Guests : 240 guests online Members : No members online
© 2012 – 2021 Sanctum Zone | All rights reserved. This website is a place for people to express and discuss their views on the news and world events. DISCLAIMER: Please Note: Views expressed and submitted by contributors are their own personal opinions and do not necessarily reflect the views, opinions and beliefs of the Sanctum Zone website and its founder(s) , administrators , moderators , and any other website maintenance technicians, personnel and volunteers. Articles and messages posted on this website and forum are solely the opinion of their authors.

Login or Register

LOG IN

Register

User Registration
or Cancel