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Ukraine gas and guess who. 23 Mar 2014 15:07 #381

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Well for the likes of me and you bats price is irrelevant...not sure if the peasents would be able to absorb a price increase though :wissl:
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www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-colored-re...orld-war-iii/5374625
As the US, EU and Britain huff and puff in barrel loads of clichés: “red lines” are “crossed”, “sovereignty and territorial integrity” has been “violated”, they stand “shoulder to shoulder” with their Neo-Nazi counterparts in the interim puppet government.

They are “resolute” against “Russian aggression”, and will not “stand idly by”, sanity seems in short supply.

US Secretary of State, John Kerry representing a country which makes Genghis Khan look like a wimp when it comes to illegal invasions, still retains the prize for jaw dropper of the decade: “You just don’t, in the 21st century, behave in 19th century fashion by invading another country on completely trumped up pretext”, he pontificated on CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

On the thirteenth anniversary of the illegal invasion of Iraq and the total destruction of it’s “sovereignty and territorial integrity”, by America and Britain, Prime Minister David Cameron has scuttled off to Brussels for a meeting of European Union Ministers to agree on a “robust response” to Russia – which has fired not a shot, invaded no one and threatened nothing except to respond that if sanctions were imposed on Russia they might consider a trading response. Fair enough, surely?

The government of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea called a referendum, distinctly disturbed by the threat by Kiev’s US proxy government that the Russian language was to have no status, and Jews and blacks would not be tolerated.

A fraction under 97% voted to cede to Russia, with a turnout of over 80% – an electoral enthusiasm of which Western governments could only dream.

As much of the main stream media and the usual politicians thundered of voting under pressure or even at gunpoint, one hundred and thirty five international observers from twenty three countries said, consistently, they saw no pressure of any sort, and they had “not registered any violations of voting rules.”(1)

President Putin also points out the double standards: “Our Western partners created the Kosovo precedent with their own hands. In a situation absolutely the same as the one in Crimea they recognized Kosovo’s secession from Serbia legitimate while arguing that no permission from a country’s central authority for a unilateral declaration of independence is necessary”, further reminding that the UN International Court of Justice agreed to those arguments.

“It’s beyond double standards. It’s a kind of baffling, primitive and blatant cynicism. One can’t just twist things to fit interests, to call something white on one day and black on the next one.”

Clearly referring the threats and onslaughts on sovereign nations of recent years, he added, on being accused of violating international law: “Well’ it’s good that they at least recalled that there is international law … Better late than never”, commenting with some validity, that his nation’s stance on Crimea was in no way similar.

And there is that ill used (by the usual suspects) “Responsibility to Protect”, defined as including: “crimes against humanity, ethnic cleansing and their incitement”, precisely what the bunch that has taken over the government in Kiev has threatened, with the Jewish community in Kiev feeling so besieged that: “Ukrainian Rabbi Moshe Reuven Azman, called on Kiev’s Jews to leave the city and even the country if possible …”

The UN definition of Responsibility to Protect also stipulates that States have a responsibility to “encourage and assist” in fulfilling responsibility in protection of those threatened and at risk. Russia has arguably done as requested by its former State and neighbour and as laid out by the UN. Yes, of course there is self interest, with NATO encroaching ever closer and the country’s Black Sea Fleet based in Crimea and NATO countries, the US and UK planning military exercises with Ukraine – but Russia’s actions have been a model of peaceable, threat free strategy.

President Putin expressed the all admirably:

“Russia is an independent and active participant of international relations. Just like any nation it has national interests that must be taken into consideration and respected.”

He laid out the double standards:

“In the practical application of policies, our Western partners – the United States first and foremost – prefer to be guided not by international law, but by the right of strength. They believe in their exceptionalism, that they (can) decide on the fate of the world, that they are always right.”

Law was disregarded in Yugoslavia in 1999, bombed by NATO with no UN mandate, Afghanistan, Iraq. Perversion of the UN Resolution on Libya, which was for a no fly zone, not bombing the country in to submission – a tragic, shameful travesty with the horror of the murder of the country’s Leader, most of his family, over which Hillary Clinton laughed as she said: “We came, we saw, he died.” Clinton of course, has now called Putin “Hitler.”

The “coloured revolutions” in Europe and the Arab world were simply more of the same by other means, Putin stated, but in: “Ukraine the West crossed a red line”, with Russia’s wish for dialogue and compromise ignored.

The red line was in that: “The coup-imposed authorities in Kiev voiced their desire to join NATO, and such a move would pose an imminent threat to Russia.”(2.)

Meanwhile, escaped from the American asylum, Vice President Joe Biden said that the U.S. stands resolutely with Baltic States in support of the Ukrainian people against Russian aggression. “Russia cannot escape the fact that the world is changing and rejecting outright their behavior”, Biden said, after meeting Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaite and Latvian President Andris Berzins. What aggression exactly?

However, as ever, the all is more complex:

“Current international law combines two contradictory principles: a government’s territorial integrity on the one hand, and a nation’s right to self-determination on the other, according Maxim Bratersky of the Center for Comprehensive European and International Studies at the Higher School of Economics in Moscow.”

The West recognized Kosovo’s independence from Serbia in 2008, based the principle of right to self-determination. “Kosovo is a mirror image of the current situation in Crimea”, says Bratersky:

“In sending troops into Kosovo, NATO did not allow the Serbs to intervene in the referendum. The UN did not give NATO’s forces a mandate to send troops into Kosovo.” He also points out that South Sudan ceded from Sudan in 2011 (with world leaders or their Ambassadors attending the celebrations.) East Timor became independent of Indonesia, both endorsed by the UN. Mutual agreement ruled, as with Crimea and the Russian Federation.

In 1997, the British returned Hong Kong to Chinese jurisdiction.

“But on the whole, the system of international law does not function. The side that has the most bayonets wins,” Bratersky states. “Kosovo is a vivid example of this.”(3)

In trade and energy supplies, Russia has a lot of bayonets and the coffers of the EU and US are woefully low.

David Cameron has grand plans to “celebrate” the centenary of the start of World War 1 this year, he still seems hell bent on celebrating it by starting World War 111.

As this is finished, in response to the US placing travel bans on Russian politicians and public figures, rather than engaging in a diplomatic exchange of views, Russia has: “announced sanctions against several advisers to President Obama as well as a number of lawmakers, including House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid – retaliation after President Obama announced economic sanctions against Russia.

The sanctions ban Boehner, Reid, and Senators Mary Landrieu, Daniel Coats, Robert Menendez, John McCain, as well as Obama advisers Caroline Atkinson, Daniel Pfeiffer, and Benjamin Rhodes from entering Russia.” (4)

Someone please chuck that Obama Nobel Peace Prize into the Potomac.

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1. www.globalresearch.ca/crimean-referendum...al-observers/5373767

2. rt.com/news/putin-address-parliament-crimea-562/

3.rbth.com/international/2014/03/09/kosovo_and_ukraine_3495.html

4.www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politi...d-7-other-lawmakers/
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Ukraine gas and guess who. 24 Mar 2014 07:20 #383

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I just heard a report that g7 leaders are calling this the start of a new world order.

Interesting cgoice of words.
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Ukraine gas and guess who. 25 Mar 2014 03:16 #384

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dubmeup wrote:
I just heard a report that g7 leaders are calling this the start of a new world order.

Interesting cgoice of words.
I bet the Russian government is shitting itself. Russia and China collectively have all the resources and commodities, and the G7 countries have rhetoric, empty threats, massive debts and a printing press.

www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/21/ukrai...dUSL6N0MI1MT20140321
Britain will begin this year to import gas from Russia under a formal contract for the first time, just as European calls to loosen Moscow's grip on energy supply mount because of the crisis over Ukraine.

The country's biggest utility Centrica signed a deal in 2012 with Russian state-controlled Gazprom to import 2.4 billion cubic metres of gas over a period of three years, and the supplies will begin flowing in October.

Russia is Europe's biggest supplier of gas, providing around a third of the continent's needs, and some of this has previously reached Britain from continental European storage sites.

The exports largely go to central and southeastern Europe rather than to Britain, which still has significant domestic reserves and gets most of its imports from Norwegian pipelines or liquefied natural gas (LNG) shipments from further afield.

With domestic production falling by around 7 percent a year, Britain has had to find more suppliers to fill the gap.

Supplies under this deal will begin flowing into Britain from October, a Centrica spokesman said.

While this is the first direct contractual deal, it is not the first time Britain has used Russian gas to heat homes and fuel power plants.

Gazprom estimates it sends around 11 billion-12 billion cubic metres (bcm) to Britain each year, accounting for around 15 percent of total UK supplies.

These sales involve volumes that Britain sucks in from mainland European countries during times of peak demand. The majority of Russian gas imported into Britain in recent years has been sourced from storage sites in Germany, largely filled with Russian supply.

European Union leaders in Brussels on Friday discussed moving energy supplies away from Russia, saying Moscow's annexation of Crimea made them more determined to reduce dependence on Russian oil and gas.

A British government circulated to other EU governments has proposed options for cutting dependence on Russia that include asking the United States to export more gas and working with Iraq.
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Ukraine gas and guess who. 25 Mar 2014 17:25 #385

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Notorious Ukrainian right-wing militant leader Aleksandr Muzychko, also known as Sashko Bilyi, has been shot dead during a police raid against his gang, confirmed Ukraine’s Ministry of Interior.

Muzychko was killed in Rovno, western Ukraine, where he coordinated actions of local groups belonging to the nationalist Right Sector movement.

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Police discovered a spare loaded magazine for a Makarov pistol and a total of $3,500 and 5,000 Ukrainian hryvnas in cash on Muzychko’s body, UNN agency reported to a Ukrainian Interior Ministry official as saying. Muzychko received three gunshot wounds to his chest and two to his right leg, the official said.

At a press conference dedicated to Muzychko‘s death, First Deputy Interior Minister Vladimir Yevdokimov announced that charges of hooliganism and obstructing law enforcement agencies had been filed against Muzychko March 8, and on March 12 Muzychko was put on the Ukrainian police’s wanted list.

Yevdokimov provided a dramatic version of the events leading up to Muzychko’s death.

The operation to arrest him took place in a village near Rovno, where the militant leader and three of his bodyguards, all of them armed, were in a local restaurant, called “The Three Crucians.”

An assault group from the Sokol special police task force stormed the restaurant to detain Muzychko and his henchmen. The militant leader made an attempt to flee through a window. He opened fire, and two of his bullets wounded a police officer, who returned fire and shot Muzychko in the leg. Other police officers shot in the air, Yevdokimov said.

Aleksandr Muzychko (Still from YouTube video/TVRivne1)Aleksandr Muzychko (Still from YouTube video/TVRivne1)

Even after Muzychko fell to the ground, he continued shooting.

“When [the police] attempted to detain him, they found out he was wounded. The medics who arrived at the scene proclaimed Muzychko dead,” Yevdokimov said.

The three bodyguards, who were armed with Kalashnikov assault rifles and Makarov pistols, were detained by police.

A former senior official at the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) told RIA Novosti that the objective of the operation – carried out by SBU with the help of the Interior Ministry – was to kill Muzychko, rather than to detain him.

“The goal of the operation was not to detain, but to neutralize Muzychko, to remove him from the stage,” the source said, adding that the militant leader was undermining the new Ukrainian authorities and pursuing his own interests through his leadership of the Right Sector movement.

Muzychko himself earlier said he believed he could be killed. In a video address recently posted on YouTube he said that the leadership of “the Prosecutor General's office and the Interior Ministry of Ukraine made a decision to either eliminate me or to capture me and hand me over to Russia, to then blame it all on the Russian intelligence.”

The man was known for his radicalism, attacks on local officials during the coup in Kiev, and refusing to give up arms after the new authorities were imposed.



Under the name Sashko Bilyi, he took an active part in the First Chechen War in 1994-1995, when he headed a group of Ukrainian nationalists fighting against Russian troops.

Russia’s Investigative Committee initiated a criminal case against Aleksandr Muzychko in early March. The Ukrainian was accused of torturing and murdering at least 20 captured Russian soldiers as he fought alongside Chechen militants.



Aleksandr Muzychko came under the spotlight of the Russian authorities after a series of scandals in Ukraine, when the radical nationalist leader went on with the rampage against regional authorities, lashing out at a local prosecutor, threatening local authorities with an AK-47 and making openly anti-Semitic statements.
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Ukraine gas and guess who. 25 Mar 2014 17:37 #386

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Sound's like his usefulness had run it's course,probably did the donkey work for the big boy's.
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Ukraine gas and guess who. 25 Mar 2014 17:54 #387

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Sound's like his usefulness had run it's course,probably did the donkey work for the big boy's.

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Ukraine gas and guess who. 25 Mar 2014 20:40 #388

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Night of the Long Knives was my first thought.
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In latest wiretapping leak, Yulia Tymoshenko appears to say ‘nuclear weapons’ should be used to kill Russians

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/...ed-to-kill-russians/
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In latest wiretapping leak, Yulia Tymoshenko appears to say ‘nuclear weapons’ should be used to kill Russians

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/...ed-to-kill-russians/
The video containing the recording was initially uploaded to a YouTube account under the name Sergiy Vechirko, and has since been widely shared on pro-Kremlin media outlets, with Russia Today producing its own version with translation
Those pesky, red-under-the-bed, pro-Kremlin news outlets reporting on what's actually happening again...when will they learn that's not how the news works?!
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Ukraine gas and guess who. 26 Mar 2014 05:15 #392

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Ukraine government bans Russian TV transmissions
alternative-news-network.net/ukrainian-c...ussian-tv-broadcast/
the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine instructed the Prosecutor General’s Office and the Security Service to investigate the activities of Russian TV channels for compliance with Ukrainian legislation. In particular, the probe is tasked to find “evidence of incitement to ethnic hatred, incitement to war, separatism.”
Incitement to war and ethnic hatred...hmmm

Wasn't that Yulia Tymoshenko saying, and I quote, "One has to take up arms and go wipe out these damn 'katsaps' together with their leader,"
The word "katsap" is a racial slur for Russian. And also "I am hoping that I will use all my connections and will get the whole world to rise up so that not even scorched earth would be left of Russia."
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Discussing the fate of Ukraine's eight million ethnic Russians with Shufrych, Tymoshenko was also heard as saying that they should be "nuked".
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Night of the Long Knives was my first thought.

So will the Nazi's end up being put in the police force to give them an air of respectability?
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mikey mikey wrote:
Night of the Long Knives was my first thought.

So will the Nazi's end up being put in the police force to give them an air of respectability?

It's "worked" in Greece!
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Air France Flight Diverted Over Russia, Forced To Land, Due To Last Minute Military Exercise
Air France says a plane carrying 495 passengers and 22 crew was diverted on its way from Shanghai to Paris after Russia announced at short notice that part of its airspace was closed for a military exercise.
Considering that Russia is the largest country in the world, and is located at a rather strategic position between the East and West, perhaps this is merely Putin's latest warning about just how Russia's "military drills" will respond to Europe should further sanctions be enacted. Because flights from Shanghai to Europe across the Pacific, and over the US, may not be quite an agreeable retaliation to the old continent.

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No idea where to put this....but seeing where/why it was about, here seemed about as good a place as any

.. does it mean that everyone saw right through the endless bluster, hollow rhetoric and empty promises of the man tasked with reading from a teleprompter, and currently in charge of one of the world's most totalitarian states? Because either someone is getting fired for forgetting to turn on the "applause" sign, or Europeans no longer care for the lies uttered by Obama on all topics NSA-related (and all other topics too). One wonders: how long until the US president finally gets the same treatment in his own country?

www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-26/what-h...ing-and-nobody-claps
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“We did not claim or annex Iraq’s territory. We did not grab its resources for our own gain. Instead, we ended our war and left Iraq to its people in a fully sovereign Iraqi state that can make decisions about its own future.

Obama comparing the Iraq invasion with the current situation in Crimea :arrowup:

Is the US government just fucking insane?
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“We did not claim or annex Iraq’s territory. We did not grab its resources for our own gain. Instead, we ended our war and left Iraq to its people in a fully sovereign Iraqi state that can make decisions about its own future.

Obama comparing the Iraq invasion with the current situation in Crimea :arrowup:

Is the US government just fucking insane?
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:killinme: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

I don't know who's more stupid, Obama himself, or the people who write his speeches...
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So Barry says "we ended our war and left Iraq to its people in a fully sovereign Iraqi state that can make decisions about its own future."

And if the government in Iraq tells the US to remove its military bases then the US will comply with this decision? :think:
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