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Make jobless pick fruit or lose benefits 26 Feb 2014 14:30 #1

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Jobless Britons should be made to pick fruit on farms or face having their benefits taken away, the Farming Minister said yesterday.

George Eustice insisted there would be no replacement for the Seasonal Agricultural Workers scheme that provided 22,000 foreigners a year with temporary permits to enter Britain to harvest crops. It was scrapped in September.

Instead, local unemployed people should be recruited to do the work, he said.

But the proposal has sparked fury among farmers - who say British jobseekers have a ‘work ethic problem’ which means people simply refuse to do hard manual labour.

The farmers insisted yesterday that reliable foreign workers are vital for the industry and that foreign migrant labour has fulfilled their needs for generations.

Mr Eustice told the National Farmers' Union conference in Birmingham: ‘I know that some people would say you won’t get them to do this work, they don’t want to do it.

'As a government we shouldn’t really tolerate that attitude that says we are going to pay people to stay on benefits because they don’t want to do certain types of farming work.’
Entire execrable article can be read here:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2568030...foreign-workers.html
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Make jobless pick fruit or lose benefits 26 Feb 2014 15:46 #2

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If the 'immigrants' can do it... they can't say now "they took our jobs" can they!?

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Make jobless pick fruit or lose benefits 26 Feb 2014 16:22 #3

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My understanding is this:
If you're not qualified, you're not gonna get a 30k + job, whether immigrant or resident, period.
If you wanna be a pilot, you first learn to fly!
Jonathan Ive, British national works for Apple, in California. Why? Because he is qualified and good at what he does. Same applies to everything.
If you take a good look at the "unemployed" you realize why nobody employs them. They would rather live off benefits than do a 9to5 minimum wage job. I'm not talking here about those incapacitated that really can't work for various health related reasons. I'm talking about the lazy. But it's just easy to shift blame from one's incompetence to "the immigrants" that "took ALL our jobs". See, there's fruit picking for ya, but ya wouldn't do the jobs the "immigrants" did.
Fucking sick reasoning that is. The people: "they are coming to take our fruit picking jobs", the government: "Fixed!"

I'm sure dailymail readers would enjoy this telegraph story as well:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10566705/Britai...rse-than-feared.html

Let them pick fruit, might shrink their waist lines and lower the risks of heart attack and overall ease the job of NHS.
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Make jobless pick fruit or lose benefits 26 Feb 2014 16:40 #4

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Actualiy they should be made to repair the roads, what a fucking mess.
Night shift, only to keep the truckers of Britain moving, which in turn deliver the beer and fags that the lazy fuckers can buy with dole money :coffee: :axe:
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Make jobless pick fruit or lose benefits 26 Feb 2014 16:42 #5

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Actualiy they should be made to repair the roads, what a fucking mess.
Night shift, only to keep the truckers of Britain moving, which in turn deliver the beer and fags that the lazy fuckers can buy with dole money :coffee: :axe:

Valid suggestion , the roads are a disgrace

but I nearly fell over reading it :hahano:
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Make jobless pick fruit or lose benefits 26 Feb 2014 16:48 #6

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Unemployed are vital for keeping wages low and as tech increases so will unemployment when training for new tech jobs is not available unless you can afford it.
Negative feedback loop basically.

Pay the unemployed to go through training ffs lol, obvious innit.
Fruit picking or stacking shelves only helps the businesses and no-one else including the govt...'supposedly'. :roll:

The training needs to match whats in demand, if we need more nurses then train nurses, if we need computer engineers then train computer engineers, not just with pathetic gov qualifications but industry recognises linux/microsoft/cisco qualifications.

Gov has to react to biz not the other way around. After all, they want this stupid monetary based paradigm but IMHO they don't show it.
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Make jobless pick fruit or lose benefits 26 Feb 2014 16:50 #7

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The roads are indeed a right fucking state. I went over a pot hole before & you could see the original cobbles underneath.

Send the unemployed down the pits to provide us cheaper energy. & immigrants. & children. & the ill. & the elderly.
How else are we going to attempt to keep this economy going?
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Make jobless pick fruit or lose benefits 26 Feb 2014 16:52 #8

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I personally think it's a fucking great idea, let those fat fuckers see where their food is coming from next time they stuff their faces like the world is ending. Fruit picking is nothing, send them to feed and milk cows, cheese and beef don't grow on trees.

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"One in four British adults is obese, according to the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation, prompting fears that the UK has become the “fat man of Europe”.
www.nhs.uk/Livewell/loseweight/Pages/sta...demic-in-the-UK.aspx

OBESE = Can't work, the state pays for everything, + NHS free medication for diabetes, heart, etc... not to mention gastric bypass the only way that makes them stop eating like pigs.
Yet these people find the money to eat 7 meals per day.
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Make jobless pick fruit or lose benefits 26 Feb 2014 16:57 #9

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marina wrote:
I personally think it's a fucking great idea, let those fat fuckers see where their food is coming from next time they stuff their faces like the world is ending. Fruit picking is nothing, send them to feed and milk cows, cheese and beef don't grow on trees.

That would be fine...assuming that ALL the unemployed are 'fat lazy fucks' etc etc.

How about just giving them jobs paying a wage instead of benefits?

How about giving people who lose their job a similar job for similar pay until they find another job in the private sector, thereby ending all the stigma and mud slinging attached to being unemployed? How about printing money out of thin air to do that instead of handing it to banking elite who never lift an arm to do any work of any value in their entire lives whatsoever?
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Make jobless pick fruit or lose benefits 26 Feb 2014 16:59 #10

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Fair enough andyh
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Make jobless pick fruit or lose benefits 26 Feb 2014 17:06 #11

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marina wrote:
Fair enough andyh

WHat sickens me tbh is just playing along to MSM with this divide and conquer doleys are all useless fat fucks bollocks.
Immigrants all take jobs bollocks or dole or whatever.

Who fucking cares when bankers make off with trillions and the media never talk about them being lazy idle stealing fuckers do they?
Noooooo.

Its all doleys/immigrants/doleys/immigrants rinse and repeat ad infinitum.

Its for people with the IQ of a wet fucking cabbage. If people actually get taken in by this in your face bullshit its no surprise that democracy doesn't work.
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Make jobless pick fruit or lose benefits 26 Feb 2014 17:13 #12

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Yes andyh. Unfortunately the same 2digit IQs lazy couch potatoes are the ones who shout the loudest "They are taking out jobs!" the daily mail readers.

That's all I was trying to get at.

I would take a fruit picking job over a cubicle job any time of the day. Less stressful and in nature.
We've done this here (my home country), they used to take us off school for a couple of days to help the community (from the 5th to the 9th grade) during the season, what you call "child labor" was fun times for us, though we worked hard, we enjoyed it knowing it's for the sake of us all not leaving fruits and veggies rot because you see... we don't feel like it.
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Make jobless pick fruit or lose benefits 26 Feb 2014 17:19 #13

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marina wrote:
Yes andyh. Unfortunately the same 2digit IQs lazy couch potatoes are the ones who shout the loudest "They are taking out jobs!" the daily mail readers.

That's all I was trying to get at.

I would take a fruit picking job over a cubicle job any time of the day. Less stressful and in nature.
We've done this here (my home country), they used to take us off school for a couple of days to help the community (from the 5th to the 9th grade) during the season, what you call "child labor" was fun times for us, though we worked hard, we enjoyed it knowing it's for the sake of us all not leaving fruits and veggies rot because you see... we don't feel like it.

The ones whining about taking jobs already have jobs. Low skilled jobs specifically.

Fruit picking is fine, so long as you get paid a WAGE for doing it NOT benefits. Otherwise its slavery for private business.
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Make jobless pick fruit or lose benefits 26 Feb 2014 17:22 #14

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andyh wrote:

The ones whining about taking jobs already have jobs. Low skilled jobs specifically.

Fruit picking is fine, so long as you get paid a WAGE for doing it NOT benefits. Otherwise its slavery for private business.

Definitely!
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Make jobless pick fruit or lose benefits 26 Feb 2014 17:56 #15

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This is the amount that working-related benefits actually cost:

S67gg5


Just one bank bailout that was passed in a single day, without any meaningful consultation of parliament let alone the public, was worth over £37 billion:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7666570.stm
The government is to pump billions of pounds of taxpayers money into three UK banks in one of the UK's biggest nationalisations.

Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS), Lloyds TSB and HBOS will have a total of £37bn injected into them.

That’s nearly four years of the working-related benefits bill in a day. Just one year before this...how was HBOS getting on?

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6403133.stm
HBOS, the bank formed by a merger of Halifax and Bank of Scotland, has seen a 19% rise in annual pre-tax profit.

Pre-tax profit was £5.71bn in 2006, compared with £4.81bn a year earlier, driven by cost controls and earnings from corporate banking and insurance.
Do you remember getting a share of those profits? No, profit and wealth is privatised and increasingly held in very few hands, risk and any form of responsibility and blame for anything that occurs is socialised. Of course, the £37 billion is just a fraction of the trillions that is screwed out of the economy via banks. HBOS was involved in LIBOR, amongst lots of other underhand activity.

Surprisingly, I don’t recall the Times, the Telegraph, the Sun or the Daily Mail complaining about that on a daily basis for decades. It’s almost as if the people that own those newspapers benefit from elitism and demonise people on the dole in a largely successful attempt to make people that do shitty jobs delude themselves into thinking that they’re (a) better than them, and (b) somehow some form of threat.

Collectively, British people pay private banks hundreds of billions each year. Every time you fill your car up, every time you buy something from a shop, virtually every transaction you’re ever involved in is taxed. This all ultimately goes into the Bank for International Settlements system, which was always intended to dominate the planet economically, which it now does. It’s because of the prominence of crony capitalism / corporate fascism that there aren’t even close to being enough jobs to go around in the first place. What’s the solution? Let’s ensure that there are even less jobs by making people work for their benefit. Obviously just another elitist policy that only benefits the landowners not the serfs.

Contrary to the impression you might get from reading The Sun, this goes against the interest of the average working stiff, as not only does it mean there are less jobs available, but it also ensures that economic activity which would take place does not. This has all kinds of knock on effects on the real economy, and can have quite a significant effect as it happens on a large scale. Meanwhile, the BBC reports that the economic situation is improving because the financial sector expanded and GDP increased. The financial sector that’s screwing everyone.

The race to the bottom hasn’t even come close to unfolding yet because, firstly, the full effects of living in a globalised economic system and the inevitable rise of China and the ‘emerging economies’ has yet to be realised. This is already happening, but increasingly you will see British workers competing in a global marketplace with people who are used to an absolutely piecemeal existence. And secondly the debt can is still being kicked down the road. Once this becomes impossible, which is a mathematical certainty, you will see how bad things get.

We will certainly need some form of benefit system to be in place at that time. Anyone wishing otherwise is just delusional.
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Make jobless pick fruit or lose benefits 26 Feb 2014 18:12 #16

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marina wrote:
I personally think it's a fucking great idea, let those fat fuckers see where their food is coming from next time they stuff their faces like the world is ending. Fruit picking is nothing, send them to feed and milk cows, cheese and beef don't grow on trees.

Edit:
"One in four British adults is obese, according to the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation, prompting fears that the UK has become the “fat man of Europe”.
www.nhs.uk/Livewell/loseweight/Pages/sta...demic-in-the-UK.aspx

OBESE = Can't work, the state pays for everything, + NHS free medication for diabetes, heart, etc... not to mention gastric bypass the only way that makes them stop eating like pigs.
Yet these people find the money to eat 7 meals per day
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I'm obese - have been for years, but only eat 2 meals a day. Usually Chicken & Salad for tea, and a cup of soup or bowl of porridge for supper. I don't drink alcohol or any kind of sugary drinks, and rarely snack and find I'm not hungry until I've been up for at least 8 hrs. I do take a lot of pain medication and have often thought that doesn't help my case. Admitedly I don't get much exersize due to a spinal injury, but I find remarks like yours above extremly offensive. There is much more to the cause of obesity than eating like a pig and having 7 meals a day. Genetics must play a part as well as the way our food is messed with these days

Maybe you are one of those people that is thin as a rake and can eat whatever they want. I have a friend who couldn't put weight on if he tried. He lives off lot of sugary drinks, Indian takaways, a full box of cornflakes (with loads of milk and sugar) and at least 5 packs of cherry bakewells a day. He is my age, eats most the most unhealthy diet you could think of (runs away at the sight of veg) yet is perfect weight for his size and has no health problems.
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Make jobless pick fruit or lose benefits 26 Feb 2014 18:17 #17

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Processed shit food thats cheap is why people are obese in conjunction with outsourcing human labour to robots.
People are paid less so they pay less for food and its an ever decreasing feedback loop in a race to the bottom of the barrel.
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Make jobless pick fruit or lose benefits 26 Feb 2014 21:46 #18

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I am pretty sure my forefathers were happy to pick fruit and farm animals for themselves but unfortunately they were forced off the land by criminals who stole the land by force,now the criminals want the evicted to pick fruit for them. :rofl:

Makes total sense.
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Make jobless pick fruit or lose benefits 26 Feb 2014 22:02 #19

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@QS
If they don't eat as much, then how come they loose half the body weight after a gastric bypass?
And no, I'm not one of those naturally thin. I've been watching what I eat and exercise daily. Genetics ehh??? Bullshit, I ate alot of crap before I made a complete change in my diet: no sugar, no salt, no fizzy drinks, no gluten.
Just a diet tip: don't wait 8 hours after you get up to eat and have 2 meals a day, that's what is keeping the pounds on. Have small portions instead, 4 times a day.
I could find a million excuses to not work out today, but it's better to start taking care of yourself while you're still young.
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There has to be a pool of unemployment in every capitalist nation
In order to facilitate the competitive drive that feeds it ,
That's a given ,
If your swayed or persuaded by our esteem leaders that full employment
Is the ultimate goal of a caring or sincere capitalist goverment
I've got some paper canoes you could buy .

Boils down to this ,
Voting for capitalist politicians is just about the most blatant admission your brain is a seive
You can have or you buy into the elitism of money .

Coincidentally on newsnight that just finished there was a segment about politicians messing with statistics
And so far Cameron's has been reported for investigation on the use of stats more than any other .
Now papers and news items along with political analyism is sed on What Stats we are Pressented with
And if those relaying the interpretation of those stats is taking them as fact we get a skewed view
Such as the see through lies about immigration and benifit scroungers
Again and again. Crapitalist government and it's media tell us what to think

Andyh your spot on btw .
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