andyh wrote: I don't remember having the SS call on us after the births tbh though I can't rule out that they did. We did get a lot of attention from the health visitors with the first two because they were home births. The last birth was in hospital thankfully considering that it went tits up and both mother and child could have died. Although that does raise the question, would that have happened if it was a home birth?

dubmeup wrote:
My missus got a complication with the 4th kid, a nurse at the hospital had a sore throat with strep, my missus got a strep blood infection, it nearly killed her. It could have happened just as easily at home as the hospital I guess.

Anyway in all 4 cases I got visits from the SS after the health visitor had finished, the health visitor or district nurse was usually only around 1-2 weeks after the birth.
Its the unsolicited SS visits I object to.

humanspirit wrote:
Where the fuck did that come from?

psketti wrote:

psketti wrote:
A complete misunderstanding of how intrusive the SS really are lol.
Is humanspirit from the UK? Or just never had kids perhaps?

I've no idea andy.

Was a very odd thing to say though. Maybe he/she is just having a bad day. Who knows.

I don't wish to throw this thread off course at all, but I would like to address the issue of language here, if I may.

I have been brooding on it, and don't see why I shouldn't be afforded the same level of respect as someone who may be offended by racially motivated name calling.

I appreciate, it isn't an issue for most who have never been effected by it, but I have. I also know of many people it has had a terrible effect on and it was my understanding that this was to be a forum for everyone and not somewhere where people would be made to feel like that.

Specifically, I'm referring to Andy's use of the term "lesbo" when talking about his experiences of the SS. I have not pm'd you yet Andy, as I thought it important to let everyone know how I feel about this. I found that comment particularly offensive. I wholly appreciate that you were relaying how you felt about their intrusion into your personal life, and I get that you were probably feeling quite angry/pissed off at the time. I'm also aware that the comment above was in no way aimed at me personally and I'm honestly not trying to cause trouble or disrupt this thread. I would hope that you all know me well enough now to know that is not my style.

It really leads on from what I was saying about 'common purpose' and some of the researchers who have been involved in "exposing" it. I don't like the issue for this very reason. It always comes up, and whether or not it was intended, I end up feeling like shit just for being who I am. I have been in no way conditioned to think the way I do, particularly about sexuality. Far from it, in fact. Whether or not there is anything to common purpose, I don't really care to know. Something that attracts the attention of people evidently quite eager for some baiting or name calling, immediately turns me off.

Perhaps we could start a seperate thread about it?

It occurs to me that there are certain words and issues that I would not joke about on here, let alone make quite serious comments about, simply because I have been a member here for so long and have got to know so many of you so well. I don't do it because I want people to like me; I do it out of respect. I'm not asking people to edit their views on certain issues but it would be nice if threads could remain inclusive, where possible.

This is obviously an issue that many of you feel very passionately about and I think it has been a very interesting thread so far. I would ask quite how you know someone is gay just by looking at them, but to be frank I don't really care and that's not the issue.

As someone who grew up in a single-parent family, I thought I'd have some important points to add to this discussion. As it stands, I ended up feeling a bit excluded and not particularly inclined to take part. I'm used to this and I am aware that it is really nobody elses issue but mine. Some suggest I'm too sensitive.

I hope this post can be taken in the spirit with which it was written. I only post it here, as it's not actually something I've had to think about too much with this place before. Thank you all for reading.

Abs, come ere and let oi love ee yer "sensitive" sod

It's great that you're able to be honest about the way you feel Abs. It's a shame that this thread took this particular turn.

I would love to hear what you have to say about this subject

Personally, I'm not comfortable with derogatory remarks about people's sexual orientation. However, I don't want to bash people just for having their own opinion either. You and Andy are both great guys btw.

Well said abs and I expect it will be taken the way it was intended

psketti wrote:
humanspirit is a very moody lady. she blasted me in the past in a pm in di, i only mentioned that she had a fixation with nazi's, and she blew up at me and some others and pm'd us, with rude words. kind of like 'f off you creeps or something'. i deleted her post and told her to totally forget about it. she just gets in a mood every now and then. something must have set her off, pushed her buttons , so to speak.
she will be back and be nice again. she has 'issues', sorta like zep/
i wouldnt worry about it. i think she is cool.
not to worry all will be ok

curtaincat wrote:
I always thought she was a he! The internet is a funny place

There are many types of social workers, not all of them focus on snatching babies Abo.
The ones I knew certainly did, were both 50+ and well known for it. Both never got married and both never had kids and worse still both of them knew each other.
Both started to make up crazy stories such as my kids licking the window and therefore needing a drink etc...but I know all too well where this road leads Abo. I don't put up with it.
I don't deal with it by using the authorities. Its a waste of time.

My own father was adopted and didn't find his sister for 50 years, she was a basket case when he finally found her :/
The SS tried to hinder him at every opportunity and stick their noses in.

Its not about you and you shouldn't take it personally, they just really get on my goat and I'm not the only one who feels this way by any means. The women in question DESERVE to be called out for what they are, thats what this is all about tbh.

LesleyPumpshaft wrote:
I love Andy's posts, generally. Hope I didn't come across as trying to 'bash' anyone, least of all Andy, as that wasn't my intention. I tend to just walk away from things like this but thought it important to have my say here, where I'm comfy.

Ab Origine wrote:
No, you didn't come across like that at all It's good that you can express yourself. That's the great thing about SZ, I hope it continues. other forums can get really bitchy.

Ab Origine wrote:
Specifically those two women (evil hags) I met.
There are good people out there and not all of them go to common purpose meetings etc so you can relax abo

The gist is that there is an aim somewhere to recruit a certain number of people who fit certain psych types in certain roles.
Sometimes thats for practical reasons and other times for dark reasons, IMHO it is the recruiters who are the CP trained lackeys and they're not necessarily in every council in the UK either.
Just my stinking bad luck I moved 70 miles only to find to my horror I'm getting visits from another woman who could've been her evil twin sister, wicked witch of the west and wicked witch of the east LOL

From the perspective of someone who had a bit of a wayward father, I would say that cases seem to vary wildly. Certainly, in our situation, my father never paid a day of CS in his life, despite my mother's numerous attempts to notify the authorities of his whereabouts.

Had he done the honourable thing in the first place, I really don't think she'd have gone that route. It must not be forgotten that very often single mothers don't have an awful lot of time to work and earn a wage, hence child support comes into play. Certain hoops must be jumped through and information provided...etc. Without this however, I very much doubt my siblings and I would be around today.

I really don't believe any one person or group is to blame, tbh. I have no idea what my father's motivation was for doing what he did, but I am fairly certain that every decision that he made was his own. I can understand how societal influences may come into play in situations such as this, but only to a degree, really. Ultimately, this is ALL about individual choice and responsibility. Always has been and always will be. The same can be said for the attitudes and behaviours of our children. Children will do as they see and very often what they know they can get away with. Simple as that, really.

This story, as has been pointed out, is just another bit of smear, imo. They've done the unemployed and disabled, they've even done people who really have no right to be thinking they are rich enough to live in the capital city, so I guess single mothers are next? There's a famous saying similar to that, about "doing nothing", aint there?

news.sky.com/story/963120/families-tsar-...s-for-broken-britain

Oooh...nice.

The old divide and rule tactic hasn't lasted this long for nothing has it.