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Woolwich Attackers Sentenced 26 Feb 2014 23:20 #21

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it was stated 30-40 was it not ?

so 15-30 would certainly be achievable

What kind of ford , if ya don't mind me askin ?
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Woolwich Attackers Sentenced 26 Feb 2014 23:55 #22

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scaltura wrote:
it was stated 30-40 was it not ?

so 15-30 would certainly be achievable

What kind of ford , if ya don't mind me askin ?

Focus :hide:

I only use it to go to work and back, I don't go cruising.

so 15-30 would certainly be achievable
Artillery Place is uphill, it also had to mount the kerb and go round a lamp post, with a man on the bonnet/windscreen.

I think it might be achievable for a professional driver, or a practiced one.
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Woolwich Attackers Sentenced 27 Feb 2014 00:19 #23

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Come out from under the chair , there's nothing wrong with driving a focus :D

you should try rolling at 15mph 2nd gear drop clutch and plant it (step on the gas) you'll be surprised .

I test drive cars every day

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Woolwich Attackers Sentenced 27 Feb 2014 00:24 #24

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scaltura wrote:
Come out from under the chair , there's nothing wrong with driving a focus :D

you should try rolling at 15mph 2nd gear drop clutch and plant it (step on the gas) you'll be surprised .

I test drive cars every day

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Could you accurately swerve a lamp post while mounting a kerb at 30-40mph?
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Woolwich Attackers Sentenced 27 Feb 2014 00:32 #25

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scaltura wrote:
Come out from under the chair , there's nothing wrong with driving a focus :D

you should try rolling at 15mph 2nd gear drop clutch and plant it (step on the gas) you'll be surprised .

I test drive cars every day

:)

As I say that might be possible on a straight flat road, here we're talking about going uphill, collecting a body on the bonnet/windscreen, mounting the kerb, doing around a lamp post all at at least 30mph? or 40mph?

I don't think a car can be steered under such conditions, when going full whack, unless the driver has experience of such practice.
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Woolwich Attackers Sentenced 27 Feb 2014 00:35 #26

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Space Bandit wrote:
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Come out from under the chair , there's nothing wrong with driving a focus :D

you should try rolling at 15mph 2nd gear drop clutch and plant it (step on the gas) you'll be surprised .

I test drive cars every day

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Could you accurately swerve a lamp post while mounting a kerb at 30-40mph?

You say that like you would need some sort of tom cruise mission impossible skills , 30mph in a car isn't very fast :D

would be a bad day if you couldn't plot the course of a car you were under control of at 30mph :)
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Woolwich Attackers Sentenced 27 Feb 2014 00:38 #27

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Blue_Tackler wrote:
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Come out from under the chair , there's nothing wrong with driving a focus :D

you should try rolling at 15mph 2nd gear drop clutch and plant it (step on the gas) you'll be surprised .

I test drive cars every day

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As I say that might be possible on a straight flat road, here we're talking about going uphill, collecting a body on the bonnet/windscreen, mounting the kerb, doing around a lamp post all at at least 30mph? or 40mph?

I don't think a car can be steered under such conditions, when going full whack, unless the driver has experience of such practice.

30-40mph is hardly full whack :D

maybe he missed the lamp post by sheer chance , he did come to an abrupt stop when he hit the second post :)
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Woolwich Attackers Sentenced 27 Feb 2014 00:40 #28

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scaltura wrote:
Space Bandit wrote:
scaltura wrote:
Come out from under the chair , there's nothing wrong with driving a focus :D

you should try rolling at 15mph 2nd gear drop clutch and plant it (step on the gas) you'll be surprised .

I test drive cars every day

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Could you accurately swerve a lamp post while mounting a kerb at 30-40mph?

You say that like you would need some sort of tom cruise mission impossible skills , 30mph in a car isn't very fast :D

would be a bad day if you couldn't plot the course of a car you were under control of at 30mph :)

I know it aint fast but still at that speed making tight manoeuvres becomes less possible.
This is just one aspect of the whole thing anyway which is debatable. I strongly recommend reading the Spivey link posted.
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Woolwich Attackers Sentenced 27 Feb 2014 00:45 #29

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Space Bandit wrote:

I know it aint fast but still at that speed making tight manoeuvres becomes less possible.
This is just one aspect of the whole thing anyway which is debatable. I strongly recommend reading the Spivey link posted.

I've read spivey blog and tbh I'm certainly not convinced about him or what he writes .

See if you can't maneuver a car at 30-40 mph , you shouldn't ever be allowed to drive a car , period
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Woolwich Attackers Sentenced 27 Feb 2014 00:47 #30

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scaltura wrote:
Space Bandit wrote:
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Come out from under the chair , there's nothing wrong with driving a focus :D

you should try rolling at 15mph 2nd gear drop clutch and plant it (step on the gas) you'll be surprised .

I test drive cars every day

:)

You say that like you would need some sort of tom cruise mission impossible skills , 30mph in a car isn't very fast :D

would be a bad day if you couldn't plot the course of a car you were under control of at 30mph :)

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But the lamp post Is only 10 metres from the signpost where the car ended up, it means at 30/40 mph it made a zig zag maneuver in a ten metre space and then ended up parallel with the kerb.

So it's this turn at 30/40 mph in that space?

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Woolwich Attackers Sentenced 27 Feb 2014 00:55 #31

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Sorry SB I lost your post in my last post quote.
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Woolwich Attackers Sentenced 27 Feb 2014 01:00 #32

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In your picture above , the way I see it is he's hardly had to swerve the 1st lamp post

When he knocked him down the windscreen may have smashed , leaving the driver no view , hence hitting the post and coming to an abrupt stop
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Woolwich Attackers Sentenced 27 Feb 2014 01:08 #33

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scaltura wrote:
In your picture above , the way I see it is he's hardly had to swerve the 1st lamp post

When he knocked him down the windscreen may have smashed , leaving the driver no view , hence hitting the post and coming to an abrupt stop

Ok let's see, he's crossing here...

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Woolwich Attackers Sentenced 27 Feb 2014 01:09 #34

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So he's two white lines down from the entrance to the barracks, side street agreed?
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Woolwich Attackers Sentenced 27 Feb 2014 01:14 #35

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So he's two white lines down from the entrance to the barracks, side street agreed?

maybe 3 , but if he hits him and car heads straight for the post , when the car hits the post the back end will more than likely move to the right , as the engine is at the right hand side of the post so with the engine being the heaviest part of the car the weight and energy of the engine would swing the car , bringing it to rest parallel to the kerb
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Woolwich Attackers Sentenced 27 Feb 2014 01:21 #36

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Thanks, please look at this first, it's from the same 'cctv'.

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Don't forget he's walked 'up' Artillery Place from the junction, do you think he's further down on the second image?

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I've tried to mark his position on the street with a yellow dot.
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Woolwich Attackers Sentenced 27 Feb 2014 01:27 #37

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and then the car heads straight for the sign post :dunno:

what else could have possibly happened ?
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Woolwich Attackers Sentenced 27 Feb 2014 01:34 #38

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scaltura wrote:
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So he's two white lines down from the entrance to the barracks, side street agreed?

maybe 3 , but if he hits him and car heads straight for the post , when the car hits the post the back end will more than likely move to the right , as the engine is at the right hand side of the post so with the engine being the heaviest part of the car the weight and energy of the engine would swing the car , bringing it to rest parallel to the kerb

Yes I did mention the car spinning using the sign post as an axis for the spin, there's even a poll scuff mark on the car to show this, but then if there is a 30/40 mph impact followed by a swing, the occupants of the car would be likely injured even with severe neck and back injuries.
And also the car ends up back from the post, and the post is undamaged.

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Why would the car move back from the post after a swing?
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Woolwich Attackers Sentenced 27 Feb 2014 01:38 #39

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scaltura wrote:
and then the car heads straight for the sign post :dunno:

what else could have possibly happened ?

I'm proposing that the car was switched.
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Woolwich Attackers Sentenced 27 Feb 2014 01:46 #40

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I don't know what you think but to me this looks like

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The scuff/post mark, is side on, not like the car hit the post whilst it was moving forward towards the post, but like the car was slid against the post creating a side on impact to the front, see how it looks like something's hit the front of the car in that post mark, as if the car was sliding sideways.

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