Well establishing the car hit the post and spun round a bit , that the takes out the theory that the driver would have to swerve to avoid the 1st pole while mounting the kerb , as the last couple of pics you showed there was a direct line between car , victim and sign post , so no need for the squiggly dotted line .

As for the damage to the front end of the car , it has not been a side on impact , that has hit fully frontal bang on the chassis leg you can see it has been pushed back due to the concertina effect on the n/s wing , also the wheel has cambered out due to the fact the bottom arm has been pushed out due to the chassis leg movement .

The large indentation you see at the front of the car is bang on line with the chassis leg , slightly to the left of the o/s chassis leg is the weakest spot on the front end of the car , as there is a space between the engine and the inside wing/ chassis leg , directly between engine and inner wing lower down is the gearbox .

I have debated the 1st pole , and the path the car traveled , I have also gave a proper breakdown of the damage of the car .

So if the car was switched , how did the manage that ?

Just to say, i have flown a ca over a hedge and into a field at 70. The car was utterly wrecked. All but one occupant walked away pretty much uninjured.

Now scaltura let's agree then that LR is crossing Artillery Place at the position of three white line down from the closed access entrance as shown below.

On the picture below please ignore the light orange line as we know that's wrong, the red dots represent LR before and the pink at after impact, the blue represents the Tigra.

So if the Tigra took that 'about straight route' then the back swung round as the front hit the post, what would have then caused the Tigra to move a foot or so straight back from the post, I don't see how energy is transferred to cause that 'backwards motion'?

Thus

Surely the Tigra would still be in forward gear.

scaltura wrote:
Well there's a side street next to the sign post where the Tigra is seen to end up, I'm speculating that the real Tigra went down that side street, I think it's Rectory Place, and the other Tigra was quickly exchanged in that Derren Brown kind of way, or it had a clocking invisibility material attached to it, which was removed after the travelling Tigra drove down Rectory Place.

A corpse is rolled out of a car, and the two 'mind controlled' terrorists appear.

I mean ffs they were judged to be of sound mind by the court/medical officials, what sound minded person runs at armed police waving a meat clever, and ''In early November, two weeks before the trial, Adebowale appeared to become psychotic while in solitary confinement at Belmarsh prison and claimed that he was possessed or influenced by 'djinns' or spirits.''


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Until we get to see footage of the actual impact I see this as a false flag, probably organized by EDL/Mi5/6 right wing MPs/politicians etc...

Look at the dents/marks on the windscreen, multiple impacts.

scaltura wrote:
You read it in 5 minutes or have you read it before?
Attack his arguments rather than the man.
Which points do you disagree with? There's about 50 of them.

That still doesn't mean that all manoeuvres are possible at those speeds.

@ BT I have given a professional opinion in regards to the damage of the car , and the driving of it , i.e. the speeds , I'll leave you's to it , as for the invisibility material theory really takes the biscuit for me ,

Space Bandit wrote:
I read spiv article when it was written , and it took me 2 goes to do so , there are many points I agree and disagree with , but I'm not going to go refresh my memory to argue the points here .

As for the speeds and maneuvers , I think if you couldn't perform that type of maneuvers , you shouldn't be driving , I have ridden a bicycle faster , and that is gospel .

I will not argue every little detail and point for the sake of it , I will let you's carry on , but if I look back and see something that I know isn't correct I may chip in again

cheers

Didnt one admit to killing him and the other being with him and that they did it because they are soldiers of Allah or words to that effect?

dantesrevival wrote:
They were mind controlled . take no notice

Well yeh that to

scaltura wrote:
Here have a biscuit scaltura

scaltura wrote:
It's not just about whether you could drive from A to B at certain speeds. It needs to take into account of how they were able to approach Rigby in the car from where they were. It seems unlikely that they would have even be able to have seen him initially.
tbh, I can't be arsed to go into this anymore.

Well yeh, either way, they were definitely brainwashed!

Again ill ask! if its all so dodgy why did they admit to doing it?

Has anyone mentioned mind control.

Anyway getting back to the O/P, Even according to the official narrative/court case. Michael Adebowale wasn't driving the car, nor did he deal out any fatal blows, thus his crime is being in the car, stabbing a corpse, and pointing a unloaded and not working handgun at armed police.

I don't see how that amounts to a 45 yr sentence?

I guess there is plenty of street crime thus, with a shorter sentence, what the supplementary crime appears to be is 'cheek'.
The cheek to do it to a soldier in broad daylight, near the barracks, if it was a junky that got the same alleged treatment as LR then I don't see 45yrs for an accomplice.

you know hat joint enterprise is right? they went out with the intention of killing a solider and that was the end result, these facts by there own admission you seem to be disregarding.

dantesrevival wrote:
If we go out to kill someone, you kill someone and I don't, I am not guilty of your crime, as going out to kill someone is not a crime, unless you kill them.
So then if you kill someone and I stab them after you kill them, I have committed what crime?

Do you think Michael Adebowale's crime would have got him 45yrs if he did the same to a junkie down a side street?

no, if it wasnt a Muslim fundi attack then they would have got life, but fact is they both went out to do the deed, they are both responsible.

But we don't know they both went out to do a deed, because Michael Adebowale did not testify, for all we know he was being threatened to join in?
Do you remember those two twins that run out into traffic on the Motorway, the way they attacked towards the police, imo it's very similar behaviour to this pair at Woolwich,

I suspect mind control in both cases, the former being an experiment for the latter.

I still find it remarkable that the armed police turned up in the manner that they did, The Anthill Mob, it just seemed so unprofessional, surely they would have sent in some plain clothes ones who could have simply done the job from a far more subtle point of view, where they could have had their weapons drawn and have the suspects covered by police with long range rifles etc... instead of what we saw, surely the armed police would have at least stopped around the corner and come down the street taking cover etc... I mean for all they know these 'terrorists' had automatic weapons as well?

The way I see it the police acted the way they did because they knew the handgun was useless and that they were in no real danger, even the one that run at the police car waving a cleaver, if they had not shot him, what would he have done, it's impossible to inflict damage waving a meat cleaver above the head whist running forward, it's the same as someone can't throw a punch whist running forward, as the back foot needs to be planted and weight transferred in order to make a forward/down strike with a cleaver from above the head.

Yes all possible, i just dont take the view all attacks like this are false flag, some are real, there are some very misguided people out there.