Hi folks,

As most are aware, there are ongoing costs with the running of this site, namely server costs and costs for features such as the chatroom.

We have set up paypal donate for members who would like to contribute towards these costs. Whether its 50 cents, one dollar or five dollars, they all add up, and your donations are appreciated no matter the amount.

There will be paypal donate buttons appearing on the site shortly, and one at the bottom of the forum.

Any funds donated will help keep this community site running and here for the long haul by going towards the monthly expenses, so we can all continue to enjoy using it.

Please note that there is no financial obligation for using the site, being an active member is a positive contribution in itself. Donations are entirely voluntary.

Regarding donation totals and their intended use - While we would like a way for all members to be able to directly access the account to view the balance, there is no such system in place at the moment in paypal, everybody would need to have full account access - which would not be secure to implement for obvious reasons.

There will however be a graph displayed, indicating the total donations balance, visible next to some of the paypal donate buttons or on a web page.

Should we reach a point where donations from members begin to more than cover current expenses, the community will be informed, and we will look at having member input on where the funds would be appropriated, whether it be additional website features or any other community projects the members come up with. We are looking at having members deciding these things with suggestions, and then voting or polling on these suggestions.

We are also interested in looking at further ways in which these donation totals are accountable to the community and site members, so we are open to suggestions as to how we could go about achieving this - none of us are here to make money guys, so we want all donations to be accountable to the members, we just need a practical and secure way to implement this, so if anyone has any ideas, post them up here for discussion.

Please only donate funds if you can afford to do so. Thankyou.

regards, Admin team.

I personally think that chat rooms are a waste of valuble learning time, obstruct peoples ability to lean anything of practical value or save them real funding that could make life ever so much easier if they learned new skills to save money.

Something like this,

m.flickr.com/your_recent_photos.gne?

Learning albums is what I would donate towards, not other avatars bickering against each other or false prophets who will lead them absolutely nowhere, unlike their own hands, like the hands and many minds in the link above.

Life's priorities are generally out the windows of opportunity, let it be ones own mind that opens and closes those pathways.



novum wrote:

The Apprentice wrote:
Hi Apprentice, thanks for your suggestion. We in admin have already talked about people being able to donate towards resources/items of their choice, so that their donation only goes towards what they want it to go towards.

We would need members to tell us the things they are interested in supporting, as you just did. Then perhaps a list can be made, maybe even a member poll/vote to pick one or two as priorities...at this stage we are open to all ideas and we are all in this together

I will look at ways in which donors can add a description to their donation and/or inform so that it goes to the appropriate area of their choice only.

Regards.

My donations towards learning new skills and any savings that culminate from such actions are pro bono, as are the savings from such actions, no monies changes hands.
I might come across as impatiant but we are seasoned pro's at the business of sharing amd many are just beginning to find their way, but like any idea from a caring agenda can only begin with actions.

I have yet to see a conspirital type forum to bring my kind of mind set on board, the DIF forum failed miserably and one was pushed into a corner for trying new ideas as such.

You are correct, there is an awful long way to go before Icke or any so called enligjtened being actually recognises the hurt that is taking place upon every step we all take.

Time will tell if my home grown wisdom speaks louder than my words.
novum wrote:

Here is an idea that has been tossed around but has a modest cost attached. We can install a system which will allow individual members to manage their own blog within our community web site. We would probably need some additions to the terms and conditions, to ensure that the blogs are in keeping with the general ethos of our community.

If there are a few of you who would be interested in that feature maybe we could raise the funds to make it happen.

The fee would be $79 for 12 months and for $108 per year we could get two additional features to add to the site as a bundle. One for community questions and answers plus a system for organising articles into relevant chunks. The bundle price is $45 less than purchasing all three individually. That's £50 and £69 respectively. Please Note that this would be a recurring fee. There would also be some time required to set it up and implement so it wouldn't be an overnight addition following the purchase.

If you don't feel up to running your own blog on your own, there maybe a way that we can set something up where a team can manage a blog for a given area of research or general interest.

This is a full featured blogging solution with user commenting etc. for interaction with readers.

Hosting our own blog community would also have an impact on our server resources, which means there is a small hidden cost for bandwidth and disk storage. The images for your blog entries for example would be stored on our server and not a remote image hosting service. Streaming audio or video isn't an option directly from our server! These would still require an eternal hosting service. We are actually looking at a solution which would address that, which is yet another addition we could add should the community wish to have our own video hosting account. We can setup a free trial of that when we are ready. If you would like details of video hosting for a personal project send me a PM for details.

If enough people show an interest in the blogging system we can put a proposal to the community in order to raise or allocate funds.

I don't mind donating something when I can towards my time spent here. I'm aware these things don't grow on trees.

As far as the chatrooms concerned - I've made aquiantances via the DI one and who are now on here... more than three years ago and some I hold in high regard. I can't see, at this point either, any reason why these same individuals won't continue to be real lifelong friends. So for that reason alone, I value the edition of the chatrooms.

It's also a very fair way of doing this as there are many people who simply cannot afford to donate anything and this way there's absolutely no pressure on them at all. Nor is there any pressure on those who simply don't wish too. It's a positive from all directions in that respect.

As with everything else around here, it's all new territory so anyones guess at present, how these things will pan out. But we won't know until we try.

psketti wrote:
I'm happy to donate towards sz, full stop. I don't use chat, ever, anywhere I go; and it's unlikely I'll ever use the blog facility but I get plenty from here, so all's well.

Re: those who donate and those who don't - can I ask that no "identification" of one or the other occurs. On the forum I admin'ed, those who donated had little hearts put under their Usernames and all that really did was show as much who had NOT donated. Nah. Tacky. We donate and/or we don't donate, but no "badges of honour" or special titles, etc. Ta-ever-so.

cantata wrote:
Yes, I'm for that 100% too.

cantata wrote:
The second point you raise about identifying people who donate is one we have thought about. We were going to throw it out to the community to see if we could come up with a solution which would recognise everyone's contributions, whether it be financial or through general community involvement either on the forum or sharing knowledge in practical ways etc. It's a pity that cash is required and not simply good vibes.

We can't emphasis enough that non financial contributions are as important if not more important than hard cash. No matter how much cash we put into the place a lack of community and good contributions can't be brought. Our community needs people willing to share their thoughts, research and knowledge while supporting the community as a whole with positive input and mutual respect. If server resources could be paid for in good vibes we would have already covered the costs long into the future.

Well, my standpoint will always and ever be that, if anything, a pm to say "Ta-ever-so" is enough recognition for contributions or services rendered.

I have offered to dry-hump those that can and do, cantata, though the idea was somewhat poo-poo'd by admin.

My offer still stands, however. Drop me a pm. In fact, donations needn't really even be an issue.

Thank you.

Ab Origine wrote:

Ab Origine wrote:
Dear Abs,

we are pleased to hear you're not attempting to charge for your humping services here....as prostituting yourself for money would count as advertising & therefore isn't permissable under our forum guidelines.

Thank you for your co-operation in this matter and our best wishes with all your endeavours.

Regards, the admin team.

diamondgeezer wrote:
Busted.

Yep. The reality is, shit has to be paid for, there's not much that's free in this world.

I'll throw in a few quid, when I get a few quid

Its like the saying money doesn't grow on trees, true knowledge actually comes for free if you re-connect towards finding it, it is a rhythm that has no costs attached if one uses your hands, the two parts of the entity that gets everything done.

What one does for ones self only costs the persons internal energy not money as in nature. It is so sad to see that as a part of nature we need to believe we have to pay for anything using windows of opportunity to share the knowledge that used to be given freely in a local based economy so that we could survive.

Learning the knowledge used to be a life long dedication face to face now it seems it is difficult to do this via cyberspace which halts the practical processes and gives only thought processes that an addict is unaware of.

I don't for one minuite expect a de-skilled generation/s to understand what I'm trying to say here, but it is happening right in front of our very noses and many don't see what is enslaving them.

Good luck upon trees.

lets introduce a 3 quid a month membership fee

I see what you're saying Apprentice. But the reality is, this website will close down without money. The system has us by the balls in that regard.

hadabusa wrote:
No-one would go for that hads. I suggest a problem reaction solution type thing, where we limit PM's to, I don't know, 10? And then say to people if you pay the monthly fee, you can have unlimited PM's

My system is an alternative system that survives when others fall by the wayside, and when this or any other illusion or avatar has gone my skills and others like me are still here to do what we know works best without money.

I knew you would'nt really understand what I was trying to say.
irrepressible wrote: