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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 18 Dec 2012 01:20 #361

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dawnbreak wrote:
I've have not read the whole thread yet , but it's starting to sound like batman killed these children? I'm sure that not really what's been implied but that is how it looks just coming in at reading it

Sorry sometimes , a random person just 'loses' it and starts acting out all weird and goes on a killing spree before killing himself/herself .

This is what happens sometimes sometimes because humans are humans.....and not every situation of a mass killing or school shooting can be blamed on 'it's the CIA/FBI/MK ULTRA/...........it's not always a conspiracy sometimes folk are just troubled and go off on killing spree's for reasons only they know

However it's easier in America because you have guns ....and ok you want the right to bear arms .......but live with the consequences then .....I'm with Obama or who else says their should be no guns

In respect of people blaming his Mum......really......this thing happened was not her fault

Good post dawnbreak...

I feel pretty much the same at this point...

It would take alot of LIBOR info to convince me of a conspiracy...
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 18 Dec 2012 01:21 #362

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noseymutegirl wrote:
Thanks for clearing that up feather. I thought you were trying to debunk the map. I'll concede that the prop map in the scene on the Youtube video looks different. I haven't seen the movie so don't know if there are clearer pictures of the map showing the strike zones, etc. but I gather the map was used and referred to more than once in the move and the Batman fans would have known the details of it since they would have had it in their hands at the time.
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P.S. I do com­mend you on your efforts as you have revealed another coin­ci­dence in that these maps were delivered shortly before this happened exactly one year prior to the shooting. For practical purposes, I would say they were received on Dec. 14 and blogged about the next day

Fixed! :cheers:

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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 18 Dec 2012 01:22 #363

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dawnbreak wrote:
I've have not read the whole thread yet , but it's starting to sound like batman killed these children? I'm sure that not really what's been implied but that is how it looks just coming in at reading it

No sweetie, Batman is a fictional comic book-turned-movie character. As far as anybody knows, he hasn't got the ability to kill anyone.... yet.... :O ;)
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Sorry sometimes , a random person just 'loses' it and starts acting out all weird and goes on a killing spree before killing himself/herself .

I don't disagree with you.
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This is what happens sometimes sometimes because humans are humans.....and not every situation of a mass killing or school shooting can be blamed on 'it's the CIA/FBI/MK ULTRA/...........it's not always a conspiracy sometimes folk are just troubled and go off on killing spree's for reasons only they know

Again, agreed. BUT, you've GOT TO admit, this whole thing with these two young men having been involved (supposedly, anyway) with two HORRIFIC and violent events BOTH having fathers tied to this LIBOR scandal just really looks terribly bad. I mean, there are coincidences and then there are "coincidences". Get my drift? Something very big and very wrong is going on behind the scenes here. That much is for certain!
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However it's easier in America because you have guns ....and ok you want the right to bear arms .......but live with the consequences then .....I'm with Obama or who else says their should be no guns

Prohibition simply does not work. There will ALWAYS be a supply for weapons as long as there's a demand, regardless of the legality or backwater channels necessary in bringing those things into being. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to see a world that has outgrown the "need" to harm and kill other living beings but we're not there yet and until we are I don't think stripping upright and sensible individuals of their ability to legally and responsibly own firearms is the answer.
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In respect of people blaming his Mum......really......this thing happened was not her fault

I would say certainly not in total. But that's completely dependent upon WHAT actually has happened here.... ???
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 18 Dec 2012 01:35 #364

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dawnbreak wrote:
Here's a head .......here's a wall...........

Here's me banging myself banging my self of the wall..

Are you daft or just American?????/

I think the real question here is: Does she dress her pets in underwear?? :hmm:

Well, Nosey, do ya?? :bounce:
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 18 Dec 2012 01:46 #365

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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 18 Dec 2012 02:06 #366

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Kittens In Underpants


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That is just waaaaaaaaaaay too impossibly cute for me to ruin with cheap, tired innuendo.

Thanks for the cute-overdose, Nosey!! ;)
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 18 Dec 2012 02:10 #367

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Credit to paolo at the DIF for posting this. (Found posted on Facebook)
31 QUESTIONS TO ASK YOURSELF

1. As yet, we have not seen any concrete evidence that any child died.

2. As yet, parents have not been allowed to see their children. (Photoshopped pictures do not count).

3. As of now, I have seen only one unambiguous statement from a grieving parent (Robbie Parker).

4. According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother's ID, and it was not
stolen. However, older brother Ryan--who officials say is very cooperative--claims not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID? And why does such use not qualify as a theft?

5. According to the official story, Adam Lanza was wearing a black outfit with a mask and bulletproof vest. Why would he want to hide his identity, and why would he wear a bulletproof vest, if he planned to kill himself?

6. The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with .223 (rifle) casings. But Adam Lanza was found dead in the school with only handguns--a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. But then he could not possibly have been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the murders. Who did?

7. According to the official story, the killing was tightly confined to two classrooms. But then why were so many children told to close their eyes while leaving the building?

8. Joanne Didonato, the principal's secretary, called in sick on Friday--something she rarely does. So presumably, she must have been awfully ill. Yet she then felt well enough to give an interview. "Of all days," she said, emphasizing the strange coincidence.

9. The hospital went into lockdown and cleared four trauma rooms, but received only three patients, two of them dead children (according to the official story) and one mildly wounded adult.

10. Why were there such persistent reports that Mrs. Lanza was a kindergarten teacher, and that she died at the school, when the new official story is that she was not connected to the school and was killed at home?

11. What happened to the report that Adam Lanza's girlfriend and another friend were missing in New Jersey?

12. What happened to the woodsman in a black jacket and camo pants who was arrested and handcuffed outside the school? He actually shouted to parents, "It wasn't me." Who was he and what was he doing there?

13. What happened to the dark van or SUV that the police surrounded in the parking lot, or the maroon sedan with a blown-out back window they were on the lookout for?

14. The official story is that Nancy Lanza was a gun collector who obeyed the law. But since 20-year-olds are not permitted to buy guns or ammo or carry guns in Connecticut, why would she give her "autistic" son access to both guns and ammo?

15. Why were parents told on Friday that "if you haven't been reunited with your child by now it's already over"? Does anyone imagine that real parents of real children would simply say, "Okay, the show's over, let's go home now"?

16. Would real parents of real children really be satisfied with (possibly photoshopped) pictures of their children? Wouldn't they demand to see their children one last time firsthand?

17. According to the official story, 28 people died but only 1 was wounded. The dead included 20 small, squirmy children--difficult targets even for professionals. How could Adam Lanza achieve such amazingly deadly accuracy, in such a short length of time?

18. A child asserts that he/she heard someone say, "Put your hands up," followed by the reply, "Don't shoot." This indicates that the police took a suspect into custody inside the school. But if that was Adam Lanza, how did he kill himself after that point?

19. Another child asserts that he/she saw a man pinned down to the ground with handcuffs on. Again, this indicates that the police took a suspect into custody. If that was Adam Lanza, how did he then kill himself?

20. When Ryan Lanza was falsely identified as the shooter, who deleted his Facebook profile and created many others in his name?

21. Is it reasonable for a geeky 20-year-old to carry two pistols and hundreds of rounds of ammunition while wearing a bulletproof vest and a mask?

22. Why did the police say on Friday that they were going to leave the bodies rotting in the school until Sunday, then Saturday morning announce that they had spirited the bodies away in the middle of the night? Perhaps to ensure that the transport, if any, would go unrecorded on photos or video?

23. Why won't police tell us where they found the Henry repeating rifle, the Enfield rifle, and the shotgun?

24. Did the school have one or more security cameras? What do they show?

25. Why did a police officer specifically mention, on radio, that "they're coming at me through this wood," followed by a fellow officer saying, "This is it"?

26. One officer in the school said, "We've got one suspect down." Who was that? Down in this situation generally means in custody (on the ground and cuffed), not dead.

27. Why didn't Adam's uncle see anything out of the ordinary in Adam when the two saw each other in June?

28. Why is Adam Lanza reported to be a loner when a teenager said (oxymoronically), "[Lanza and his friends] always gathered alone in a corner in school"?

29. Why did police assign an individual state trooper to every grieving family, whether the family wants such "protection" or not?

30. Why are Ryan Lanza and his roommates still in custody, and why are the police pretending that it's for their own benefit?

31. Is it a coincidence that Nancy Lanza's brother is Kingston Police Officer James Champion, who lives next door to the former Lanza home?

There are certainly some real head-scratchers in there. No doubt about it!!
Last Edit: 18 Dec 2012 04:03 by phemohilia. Reason: Added some spacing to make for easier reading.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 18 Dec 2012 02:42 #368

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Yeah, like how it was initially reported that witnesses saw two shooters, and 2nd shooter, was in police custody. Which could be a mistake, but there always seems to be a second shooter in these hinky shootings.

newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/12/16/official...his-way-into-school/

Above news story says he was carrying two guns and a rifle and had another weapon in his car. I remember the good old days when people would go postal and carry one gun. Some of these kids act like they are in a virtual reality game. Weird.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 18 Dec 2012 02:56 #369

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I just want to clear up any doubt.

Do I think the producers, promoters or crew of The Dark Knight Rises played any role in the events at Sandy Hook CT?
Nope.

Do I think the name is co-incidental?
Yup.

Do I think the dates are co-incidental?
Yup.

Unless the killer decided to make those factors relevant by choosing to base his actions around them.
Which we're unlikely to ever know for certain because he's deaded. :dunno:
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 18 Dec 2012 03:03 #370

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feather wrote:
I just want to clear up any doubt.

Do I think the producers, promoters or crew of The Dark Knight Rises played any role in the events at Sandy Hook CT?
Nope.

Do I think the name is co-incidental?
Yup.

Do I think the dates are co-incidental?
Yup.

Unless the killer decided to make those factors relevant by choosing to base his actions around them.
Which we're unlikely to ever know for certain because he's deaded. :dunno:

Yeah, once I saw that there was an actual-real-life place named "Sandy Hook" in/around the New York area, I instantly moved my focus onto this LIBOR connection, as this is actual-hardcore-real-world shit that could stand up in court. I'm always totally open to nearly any and all possibilities but there's gotta be some substance involved or else we're just chasing our non-existent tails, ya know?

Excellent work both noseymutegirl and feather!! Sharp as tacks you guys are!!! :thumbup:
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 18 Dec 2012 03:22 #371

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noseymutegirl wrote:
Thanks RA! :thumbup:

I was able to find that it is a real map. This is from the batmangothamcity.net website that has all Batman maps:

If RA is unable to see it on the movie, that leads me to believe that someone from the art dept of the movie leaked this to the public. ETA: Either that or a real Batman fan who knows all the maps. And by "leaked" I mean "posted"

Very strange coincidences, huh?

I hope you meant today, RA, because I'm waiting for you.

I'm starting to think maybe it isn't such a big deal after all. Then I thought when the UKers look at it in the morning they will be surprised.

First they will be like this :facepalm:

And then when they see it is real... I don't know. I guess it is one of those mystical coincidences or vicioius pre-planning.

Well i just made it to the part in the movie and paused it on the map and it sure enough say's SANDY HOOK.

mystical coincidences? :umm: WTF? :conf:

This is my first time ever watching the new Batman Movie and it's certainly strange indeed.

Taking two steps from my sceptical side back to my conspiratorial mind... :iitm:

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Oh, so you could see it in the movie. :secret: Excellent work. I was wondering how big of a part did the map play in the movie.. like did they do their planning on it alot and if you have any thoughts about their strike zones.

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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 18 Dec 2012 03:31 #373

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arrgggggggggggggggh.Sandy Hook ...........
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After Hurricane Sandy and Sandy Hook, I'm sure that name will fall out of favor for awhile. :(
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arrgggggggggggggggh.Sandy Hook ...........
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That was your 666 post nosey :secret:
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noseymutegirl wrote:
After Hurricane Sandy and Sandy Hook, I'm sure that name will fall out of favor for awhile. :(

If that's not enough, there's always this:



:umm:

A little John Revolta for you ladies & gents.... (Thanks, Indie!!) :cool:
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 18 Dec 2012 03:47 #378

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phemohilia wrote:
I'll take a stab at some of these......
31 QUESTIONS TO ASK YOURSELF

1. As yet, we have not seen any concrete evidence that any child died.
You wouldn't normally be party to that degree of evidence unless you were a close relative anyway.

2. As yet, parents have not been allowed to see their children. (Photoshopped pictures do not count).
I've not read any accounts to support or deny this claim as yet.

3. As of now, I have seen only one unambiguous statement from a grieving parent (Robbie Parker).
If the statement was unambiguous what's the issue with it? Most if not all parents involved are probably sedated to the max atm.

4. According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother's ID, and it was not
stolen. However, older brother Ryan--who officials say is very cooperative--claims not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID? And why does such use not qualify as a theft?
He could easily have had an old ID of his brothers which he'd found in the house. Possesing that would not require a theft to have taken place.

5. According to the official story, Adam Lanza was wearing a black outfit with a mask and bulletproof vest. Why would he want to hide his identity, and why would he wear a bulletproof vest, if he planned to kill himself?
Perhaps he did not intend to kill himself when he set out.

6. The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with .223 (rifle) casings. But Adam Lanza was found dead in the school with only handguns--a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. But then he could not possibly have been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the murders. Who did?
He could have fired the rifle and then placed it in the trunk, before swapping to the hand guns.
You cannot expect to look for logical/rational actions or sequences in a scene of mental chaos


7. According to the official story, the killing was tightly confined to two classrooms. But then why were so many children told to close their eyes while leaving the building?
That would take detailed knowledge of the placement of each body or gore distribution to answer definitively but I would assume that the instruction to the children to close their eyes was a sensible precaution to attempt to minimise the chances of trauma.

8. Joanne Didonato, the principal's secretary, called in sick on Friday--something she rarely does. So presumably, she must have been awfully ill. Yet she then felt well enough to give an interview. "Of all days," she said, emphasizing the strange coincidence.
Is the suggestion that she had prior knowledge of the event and called in sick to avoid it or that she should have not given an interview?

9. The hospital went into lockdown and cleared four trauma rooms, but received only three patients, two of them dead children (according to the official story) and one mildly wounded adult.
And what.........?

10. Why were there such persistent reports that Mrs. Lanza was a kindergarten teacher, and that she died at the school, when the new official story is that she was not connected to the school and was killed at home?
Shit journalism?

11. What happened to the report that Adam Lanza's girlfriend and another friend were missing in New Jersey?
Shit journalism?

12. What happened to the woodsman in a black jacket and camo pants who was arrested and handcuffed outside the school? He actually shouted to parents, "It wasn't me." Who was he and what was he doing there?

13. What happened to the dark van or SUV that the police surrounded in the parking lot, or the maroon sedan with a blown-out back window they were on the lookout for?

14. The official story is that Nancy Lanza was a gun collector who obeyed the law. But since 20-year-olds are not permitted to buy guns or ammo or carry guns in Connecticut, why would she give her "autistic" son access to both guns and ammo?
Only she could answer that and she's dead.

15. Why were parents told on Friday that "if you haven't been reunited with your child by now it's already over"? Does anyone imagine that real parents of real children would simply say, "Okay, the show's over, let's go home now"?
Not seen that reported so can't speculate.

16. Would real parents of real children really be satisfied with (possibly photoshopped) pictures of their children? Wouldn't they demand to see their children one last time firsthand?
Perhaps depending upon the advice of a coronor or their assistant that the condition of the injury(ies) would be too traumatic and that the child should be remembered as they were.

17. According to the official story, 28 people died but only 1 was wounded. The dead included 20 small, squirmy children--difficult targets even for professionals. How could Adam Lanza achieve such amazingly deadly accuracy, in such a short length of time?
I'm not a shooter but I have no problem imagining that firing an automatic weapon into a group of huddled children would not be considered 'difficult targets' requiring 'amazingly deadly accuracy'. Who knows how good a shot Lanza was anyway?
18. A child asserts that he/she heard someone say, "Put your hands up," followed by the reply, "Don't shoot." This indicates that the police took a suspect into custody inside the school. But if that was Adam Lanza, how did he kill himself after that point?
The assumption here is that the killer responded with "don't shoot" when it could just as easily have been another officer issuing and instruction to Lanza not to shoot.
19. Another child asserts that he/she saw a man pinned down to the ground with handcuffs on. Again, this indicates that the police took a suspect into custody. If that was Adam Lanza, how did he then kill himself?
I'd be prepared to give the testimony of a small child in such dramatic circustances a wide tolerance for misreading a situation.
20. When Ryan Lanza was falsely identified as the shooter, who deleted his Facebook profile and created many others in his name?
No idea.
21. Is it reasonable for a geeky 20-year-old to carry two pistols and hundreds of rounds of ammunition while wearing a bulletproof vest and a mask?
Why not?
22. Why did the police say on Friday that they were going to leave the bodies rotting in the school until Sunday, then Saturday morning announce that they had spirited the bodies away in the middle of the night? Perhaps to ensure that the transport, if any, would go unrecorded on photos or video?
What!? Just what!?
23. Why won't police tell us where they found the Henry repeating rifle, the Enfield rifle, and the shotgun?
Because they are building up a scene of crime report and the real world is not like CSI on the telly?
24. Did the school have one or more security cameras? What do they show?
No idea but I bet the police do.
25. Why did a police officer specifically mention, on radio, that "they're coming at me through this wood," followed by a fellow officer saying, "This is it"?
No idea, you'd need to interview the officers, which I'm sure someone has already.
26. One officer in the school said, "We've got one suspect down." Who was that? Down in this situation generally means in custody (on the ground and cuffed), not dead.
It could mean either.
27. Why didn't Adam's uncle see anything out of the ordinary in Adam when the two saw each other in June?
dafuq?

28. Why is Adam Lanza reported to be a loner when a teenager said (oxymoronically), "[Lanza and his friends] always gathered alone in a corner in school"?
Shit journalism?

29. Why did police assign an individual state trooper to every grieving family, whether the family wants such "protection" or not?
To prevent them being harassed by scum journalists and maybe to ensure no parents snap and want to exact revenge.
30. Why are Ryan Lanza and his roommates still in custody, and why are the police pretending that it's for their own benefit?
Because there's a lot of armed fuckwits out there may decide to take a pop at them.
31. Is it a coincidence that Nancy Lanza's brother is Kingston Police Officer James Champion, who lives next door to the former Lanza home?
Probably, but why is it even suggested it's relevant?
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 18 Dec 2012 03:47 #379

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That was your 666 post nosey :secret:

OooOOooOOOOoo. You know when I made that post I thought that I should look up what the name Sandy means just to see if there is any symbolism there. I think now maybe I should look it up. :secret:


ETA: It means defender of mankind :coffee:
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting 18 Dec 2012 07:13 #380

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Having considered most of the things on the list previously, I'd narrowed the salient points down to the location of the weapons, the sighting of of other suspects, and the Libor connection.

There are obviously more discrepancies, but the others are either not clear, or could have reasonable explanations. Like initial assertions that he'd been buzzed in, being changed to his having shot his way in. That contradiction could be down to plain confusion or somebody having made a wrong assumption in the first place. (Although the condition of the doors should have made it fairly obvious to any police / journalists with eyes).

And I read a report about the weight of the ammo Lanza was said to be carrying, which from the look of him, I'd guess to be something more than his own body weight, so I'm not happy to accept that he shot everbody several times with the rife, nipped outside & deposited it in his car, than came back inside with the handguns.
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