Guevarista wrote:
Its just because it was 20 young kids at one time...

The inner city ghetto's average 1 or 2 each night and it's considered normal.

Sad but true...

yep, it's rare, but by fuck when it happens in middle/white/suburban American you sure as hell hear about it.

.......... wrote:
1 or 2 6 year olds are killed each night in the ghetto's???

Seriously though, I get the point that statistically, over the course of a year, this won't boost the figures very much at all.

Guevarista wrote:
So, are you saying that you find it natural for the people in these photos to be looking downright jolly?

And for the chap in the vid to be relaxed & giggling one moment, then on checking they're ready to roll the cameras, blatantly striving to make himself appear brave yet heartbroken?

What about the bereaved parents in the other clips posted? Did you find their demeanour to be what we'd expect? Do you think it normal that in each clip, the person speaking did the same 'tearless crying' stunt? People here have shed real tears - but the parents couldn't squeeze one out between them, even though they looked to be trying quite hard to.

What do you make of the other suspects, and the point about the weapons, and all the other contradictions that have been listed?

It's not even relevant to be bringing black ghettos into this conversation imo. That looks like a deliberate distraction.

Fear of being committed to a psychiatric facility may have caused Connecticut gunman to snap

Read more: www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/18/fear-being...-snap/#ixzz2FS0eTv8A

Interesting RA, cheers for the link.
The article does rather draw even more attention to the reports that people at the school didn't seem to know of Mrs Lanza.

Gilly wrote:
Posts like this make me want to go and hang myself tbh.

Why?

because all those words from different places have taken over your head. :eek: maybe i;m wrong..it's strange to me we make so much out of tragedy and disaster, it's not even like we look for the good anymore, just a more evil more insidious bad.

It's a picture, it's one split second out of five minutes there was probably 10 seconds of them smiling for a photograph and we leap on it to prove what? That it's a hoax, they were involved, they're happy their kids are dead?

Guevarista wrote:
Oh dear. It sounds like it's the big bad world you're scared of. Heaven forbid that people should try to determine what's going on around them.

I honestly don't understand you, Gue.

Re not looking for the good - speak for yourself.

You've edited, so I will.

Those observations are not wrong, but it's the cumulative of all those things, and the other points mentioned (which you ignored) that make the scenario seem off-kilter.

If all those things mentioned seem natural to you (which is what I asked you) then that's your perspective, and it's fine for that to differ from mine.

But to slag people off for being disturbed about things they don't think add up, and to talk of hanging yourself - well that just seems irrational to me, and concerning even.

I'd be rather grateful if you didn't hang yourself because of my having a different outlook / opinion to you.

Btw - nobody ever insinuated they were happy their kids are dead - you must not have been reading properly.

Of course it "isn't natural" to be smiling at the death of your children, I don't know if you honestly believe people could think it is?
It's not natural to be having a picture taken with the president, and I;m sure a big game and show was made of it all to be fun for the poor little children who've lost their brothers/sisters, that's what I mean, it is one photo, of a split second 0.01% or there abouts of the time they spend together i'd imagine, you can't judge the whole situation by that, it would be unnatural if they spent 20minutes together and nobody smiled, that imo would be unnatural, even if it was just an absent minded, unconscious smile at being in the presence of a great man.

Right. I agree with that - I said myself earlier that they'd be putting on a brave face for the sake of the little ones. That seems reasonable.

But together with all the other stuff? That's where the thing looks off, imo. This whole conversation wasn't based purely around that one photo.

*Edit* I'm not being rude, or taking the huff or anything, but I'm going to bed now, 'cause I'm tired.

Ok I would say sweet dreams but ...

Gilly wrote:
That guy at 1:34 is doing it wrong. I've seen better acting on cardboard.

dubmeup wrote:
President or not, how utterly inappropriate a time for such an ear-to-ear-wide smiling photo-op!! Seriously, he's got two daughters. Would HE be grinnin' like a 'possum in a picture taken only hours after one of HIS children was gunned down in a random massacre?? Even if this is the following day, still, I wouldn't think any real parent with real grief would be seizing photo opportunities with ANYBODY given what they've just (supposedly) gone through. What the fuck, indeed!!

noseymutegirl wrote:
I would most certainly hope not! BUT, I wouldn't put anything past the media these days. Especially with a little coercion or "help" from questionable vested interests.

Phem i hear what your saying about him going ear-​to-​ear-​wide with that smile...

Guevarista wrote:
It's not only highly disrespectful but in extremely poor taste for whomever it was to even suggest such a photo be taken at the time, given the surrounding circumstances. That's IF the circumstances are what they're being reported as. I know for damned sure that if I had just lost a child to outright, senseless muder the LAST fucking thing I'd be within a hundred miles of would be taking a fuckin picture with ANYBODY!!! Diff'rent strokes, I guess.

I'm not even gonna say "What the ever-loving fuck???"

We'll just assume that that's already automatically implied.

Found here:

www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1...06063&postcount=1067

Long time no see.

I have not read all of the thread but I had some thoughts to share on this. First I must admit that the conspiracy stuff is losing me lately. Maybe that makes me a sheep or something but I see events like this and you can predict lazy media response and conspiracy media is just as predictable. You then know exactly what each person you know on Facebook will post pro gun or facts about gun crimes etc.


The video and photo of big smiling Obama. Grief is like people it has many faces and in that video he is smiling whether it be a brave face or just not hit home etc. Now he knows he is about to talk about his daughter on t.v. so he knows this will be hard. He prepares himself in a way that you would. He is acting in the sense that he wants to be with his daughter and not talking about her death.

These are of course just my views and I express them as facts because it is late.

As for Obama he is meeting a family torn apart. In such a situation you want to help them. A lot of the kids that lived might not be totally aware of what happened. You smile for them you know. Think about how you would handle it.

Of course being Obama he is much hated by some and so if he cries he is fake. If he smiles he is Satan etc. So what is he meant to do? Be blank? Then they would say is Bush back?

Who here has lost a child like this? Who knows how you might act. You know my mum died and for the most part I didn't fall apart but every now and then I might think about her and miss her etc. Humans have survival instincts. Brave faces etc.

As for guns. Look at any incident in u.s history where government and police etc clash. Government can outgun most countries what is a militia going to do? The gun lobby is much stronger clearly than the desire to disarm "patriots". These right wing idiots want teachers bringing guns to school to protect students. Did Adam Lanza get stopped by Mrs Lanza? No she essentially armed him.

I know plenty of gun owners since I live in Georgia and I know one guy who owns an ar15. He might hunt but not with that. He shoots targets. That gun is a toy.

People always use the argument that guns don't kill people and that banning guns would not prevent this stuff. To that I say true but if you flip out and can only get a hand gun then less people die. If you can only get a knife maybe nobody dies. Also regulating sale of guns would help to stop those people who plan to kill people.

I have found issues with other shootings in the past but there is so much bad information that comes out in the race to get top news ratings that you cant trust it all. Just read the first few pages of this thread. Wrong information released in an attempt to get the scoop. Later on you have 23 different theories.

I have lots more thoughts but it is late.