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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 19 Dec 2012 10:25 #481

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Wb I-b :)

Good thoughts there fella...

Personally, I've been in situations where death was up close and personal, not with my kids thank fek. There is no way I'd have been within a million miles of beaming like mr Parker was at the start of that 27 second clip within weeks let alone a day or two after. I very much doubt that would have changed if it had been one of my kids.

Still, we're all different, I get that. Can't even begin to imagine how a parent could be all happy smiley like that just after one of their kids was filled with hollow points though.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 19 Dec 2012 11:30 #482

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i-baster wrote:
Of course being Obama he is much hated by some and so if he cries he is fake. If he smiles he is Satan etc. So what is he meant to do? Be blank? Then they would say is Bush back?

How about, be blank, but rub your eyes in the pretence of crying so that you can have the press report that you were 'openly crying,' despite that you clearly weren't?

I'm not trying to diminish your opinion, but that bit just jumped out at me as BS (not on your part, but the President's & the press's, I hasten to add).

Even though a few of us have acknowledged that people react differently, I find it highly fishy that in all 3 of the video clips, the parents handled it in precisely the same manner - by looking decidedly undeshevelled and, trying (imo) but failing to cry.

And also, we may not have had a child die in those circumstances to equip us with knowledge of how we'd behave, but it doesn't take much empathy to weigh it up - plus we have seen other parents who've experienced such tragedy. The likes of Sarah Payne's mother is one example of many. Never once did she behave in a way that alerted suspicion about her authenticity.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 19 Dec 2012 12:00 #483

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I saw a photo of Obama with clearly teary eyes. Also these videos so show crying. There are plenty of crying parent interviews online. You can also view longer version of the smiling 'actor'. I read one of the comments on the conspiracy cut and somebody claimed ' as an actor I can tell they are acting badly so Obama made this up but was too cheap for good actors? Funny.

As for how you are meant to act the point is that different people act differently. Some people cry some tend to not cry so much. Some people are huggers some people will act like the world is ending because Dave got off with Sharon. Other people calmly tell you their parents died or whatever. There is what you expect and what happens and they are not always the same. We don't know these parents as people with living children so who are we to decide how they would behave?
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 19 Dec 2012 12:03 #484

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I would add that if Obama had any kind of conscience, he wouldn't stand up on a public stage and do this:



Especially when the policy involved leads to this:



According to authoritative reports ten civilians are killed per Predator drone strike for every one militant (let's just accept the definition of 'militant' for the sake of argument).

So it's hard for me to believe that Obama is overly concerned about the Connencticut incident. In fact, I view it as offensive that children from one culture are deemed something we should weep over, whereas the death of children in another are just collateral damage.

This isn't a personal attack on you I-B, you are, of course, welcome to your opinion. I just find the whole concept of Obama crying in public like he gives a flying fuck to be ridiculous.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 19 Dec 2012 12:08 #485

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I hear what you are saying but I don't believe he is evil and heartless despite the policy.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 19 Dec 2012 12:13 #486

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I suppose it's not really about behaving a certain way, but behaving in a way that does or does not 'appear' genuine.

Though I'd also add that as an adult, I would probably handle the death of my parents relatively 'calmly', because it's generally anticipated they'll pass away before we do. But not my kids, who had their whole lives ahead of them - that's so much crueller and unexpected.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 19 Dec 2012 12:19 #487

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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 19 Dec 2012 12:23 #488

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Maybe...maybe, the Parker guy was playing a role. He was putting himself in the role of an actor, playing a part. Perhaps that's how he got through it, his own personal way of coping.
That might be a long shot though, but maybe worth considering.

The problem with that is, I wouldn't do a TV interview in the first place. Again though, maybe he did the interview as a kind of detachment from the gravity of the situation, pretending like it was all a movie. His way of shutting off, not accepting the situation.

I haven't even got kids so I can't even really imagine what I'd feel like. The farthest thing from my mind would be appearing on TV though I think.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 19 Dec 2012 14:16 #489

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i-baster wrote:
Long time no see.

I have not read all of the thread but I had some thoughts to share on this. First I must admit that the conspiracy stuff is losing me lately. Maybe that makes me a sheep or something but I see events like this and you can predict lazy media response and conspiracy media is just as predictable. You then know exactly what each person you know on Facebook will post pro gun or facts about gun crimes etc.


The video and photo of big smiling Obama. Grief is like people it has many faces and in that video he is smiling whether it be a brave face or just not hit home etc. Now he knows he is about to talk about his daughter on t.v. so he knows this will be hard. He prepares himself in a way that you would. He is acting in the sense that he wants to be with his daughter and not talking about her death.

These are of course just my views and I express them as facts because it is late.

As for Obama he is meeting a family torn apart. In such a situation you want to help them. A lot of the kids that lived might not be totally aware of what happened. You smile for them you know. Think about how you would handle it.

Of course being Obama he is much hated by some and so if he cries he is fake. If he smiles he is Satan etc. So what is he meant to do? Be blank? Then they would say is Bush back?

Who here has lost a child like this? Who knows how you might act. You know my mum died and for the most part I didn't fall apart but every now and then I might think about her and miss her etc. Humans have survival instincts. Brave faces etc.

As for guns. Look at any incident in u.s history where government and police etc clash. Government can outgun most countries what is a militia going to do? The gun lobby is much stronger clearly than the desire to disarm "patriots". These right wing idiots want teachers bringing guns to school to protect students. Did Adam Lanza get stopped by Mrs Lanza? No she essentially armed him.

I know plenty of gun owners since I live in Georgia and I know one guy who owns an ar15. He might hunt but not with that. He shoots targets. That gun is a toy.

People always use the argument that guns don't kill people and that banning guns would not prevent this stuff. To that I say true but if you flip out and can only get a hand gun then less people die. If you can only get a knife maybe nobody dies. Also regulating sale of guns would help to stop those people who plan to kill people.

I have found issues with other shootings in the past but there is so much bad information that comes out in the race to get top news ratings that you cant trust it all. Just read the first few pages of this thread. Wrong information released in an attempt to get the scoop. Later on you have 23 different theories.

I have lots more thoughts but it is late.

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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 19 Dec 2012 14:18 #490

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i-baster wrote:
I hear what you are saying but I don't believe he is evil and heartless despite the policy.

I get the impression he's vacuous, narcissistic and rather easily led.
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phemohilia wrote:




I'm not even gonna say "What the ever-loving fuck???" :O

We'll just assume that that's already automatically implied.

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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 19 Dec 2012 15:07 #492

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Not sure if it has been mentioned before but regarding the map in the batman movie that apparently says sandy hook although looks more like sandy hoon. Gotham city is new horn and there is a place in new jersey called sandy hook. American place names are often repeated just as imagery is often repeated re-used and copied etc. So yeah it is weird especially when new York just had hurricane sandy. It is perhaps a case of so many people looking for things regardless of what is really there.

Can anybody explain the theory behind why these fathers testimonies are reason to set up a school shooting? I don't get that. It is odd but why not just silence the fathers or whatever? Not sure what that is.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 19 Dec 2012 15:47 #493

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i-baster wrote:
Can anybody explain the theory behind why these fathers testimonies are reason to set up a school shooting? I don't get that. It is odd but why not just silence the fathers or whatever? Not sure what that is.
Not me. I agree, it would be easier to silence the fathers than set all this up.
But then sometimes you can hit 3 birds with one stone :dunno:
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 19 Dec 2012 16:00 #494

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That's a good question, i-baster. Maybe it would be too obvious if they just snuffed the prime witnesses - maybe they thought they could control them better this way and any connection go unnoticed. (Not saying that's it, but the answer is I don't know).
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 19 Dec 2012 16:50 #495

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I had no idea that the photo with Obama and the family, is Robbie Parker's family. :conf: I look at the demeanor of that family and wonder if they all have neurological damage or something. What happened is not acceptable and yet they seem very accepting of the situation. I saw a video last night of Parker rehearsing his lines. All of this is not normal but I think people are make their brains jump through hoops so they can explain it away.

Regarding why someone who was testifying would not be directly killed, it could be because they are needed for their knowledge and are being coereced to do as they are told. Their knowledge could be very valuable and manipulated to benefit those involved.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 19 Dec 2012 17:01 #496

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Any chance of a link to the vid of Mr Parker rehearsing Nosey?
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 19 Dec 2012 17:10 #497

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i-baster wrote:

Can anybody explain the theory behind why these fathers testimonies are reason to set up a school shooting? I don't get that. It is odd but why not just silence the fathers or whatever? Not sure what that is.

I wondered about that too, elaborate blackmail? "Do this or we'll make the world think your son killed your wife and a load of kids" holds a bit more weight than do "this or we kill you" :dunno:

As for people reacting differently to different situations, I agree. However, despite having no personal connection to this incident, I have not found one thing to smile about within it yet parents that have lost their children can? :dunno:
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 19 Dec 2012 17:25 #498

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Any chance of a link to the vid of Mr Parker rehearsing Nosey?

I made a mistake dubs. Sorry about that. The video shows the beginning of the speech then shows him pause and take a deep breath and repeat... but I see now it was the editing. I have no doubt that he did rehearse what he said though and I think it is bizarre. Even if he did consider as a memorial type of thing.

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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 19 Dec 2012 19:04 #499

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I've had my early evening smoke so am just throwing thoughts out; doesn't the French 'sans dit' a) sound like it is pronounced Sandy? & b) mean without naming/being known?
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 19 Dec 2012 19:25 #500

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Hmm, yeah. :umm:

I was thinking about Sandy meaning "Defender of Men" and then I thought about the George Guidestones.....

Could be both apply. I think synchronicities abound all the time around us but usually we don't notice and sometimes they are intentionally placed there by men and sometimes not.



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