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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Dec 2012 15:48 #681

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I was being honest that i think Obama want's to cut Military spending and use the money for education.

Same with him taxing the top 1% to pay down the debt...

Yes i voted for him because Romney said he would shock and awe to Iran...

What more can I say?
If you were being honest then you are completely stupid because Obama could implement 41 of those 43 suggestions immediately, despite the fact that you claimed that he was currently trying to do so.

I don't think American politics is that simple in the House and Senate.

But if you wan't to bump the thread we can talk about it.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Dec 2012 15:56 #682

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People on the DIF forum think everything is fake including the victims...smh

They also think all 3000 9/11 victims were all fake....

I know 2 people who died on 9/11 one in the towers and the other in the Pentagon was my friend.

Makes me just wan't to give up on conspiracy theories like this.

You could always give up posting and reading at the dif RA...

Maybe my day's in the world of conspiracy theory are starting come to an end.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Dec 2012 15:58 #683

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Maybe my day's in the world of conspiracy theory are starting come to an end.
Not really because you believe that Obama is trying to end US overseas military intervention!
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Dec 2012 16:08 #684

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The republicans have done their best to avoid progress and Obama has done a lot of good I think. Wrong thread though.


I know I just lost cool points with people but I never wanted popularity.


As for the claims that people are actors and linked to some sort of crisis video company. Who claimed this Gilly. You appear to be using fox techniques, source and supporting evidence would be nice.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Dec 2012 16:21 #685

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i-baster wrote:
The republicans have done their best to avoid progress and Obama has done a lot of good I think. Wrong thread though.


I know I just lost cool points with people but I never wanted popularity.


As for the claims that people are actors and linked to some sort of crisis video company. Who claimed this Gilly. You appear to be using fox techniques, source and supporting evidence would be nice.

sanctumzone.co.uk/forum/Members-Chat-Are...-Why-you-Bother.html

^^^Yea here is the thread we are talking about so we don't go off topic...

And I would not worry about popularity on forums because it won't equate to real world quality of life.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Dec 2012 16:29 #686

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The republicans have done their best to avoid progress and Obama has done a lot of good I think. Wrong thread though.
With respect, if you believe this then you simply aren't paying attention. I don't know how clear it would have to be that Obama has carried on all of Bush's most reviled policies, and in many cases extended them, failed to deliver the vast majority of election promises that he made, and done absolutely nothing whatsoever to change the political culture in Washington before you noticed.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Dec 2012 17:20 #687

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dubmeup wrote:
usahitman.com/alcrcr/

car connections.

Rather interesting...

Thank you Dubs. This is the chap who I mentioned previously, but can't always pick up links because of the laptop freezing up.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Dec 2012 17:37 #688

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Keep it on topic guys. :)

Thanks WUB for the excellent post you made about possible media cover-up...

I think its perfectly possible for media to say what somebody tells them to, as somebody mentioned, theres huge political capital to be made out of this case, somebody can benefit a lot, does that somebody tell media what to belive and what to report? Highly possible. Its happened in past many many times... And those videos, I find suspicious. :hmm:
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Dec 2012 17:41 #689

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
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Maybe my day's in the world of conspiracy theory are starting come to an end.
Not really because you believe that Obama is trying to end US overseas military intervention!

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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Dec 2012 17:46 #690

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Google is your friend...Namely if you Google pretty much any news event you find that the majority of the main stream news outlets report events almost identically. The reason for that is that they are not vehicles for journalists, they are vehicles for reporters. Those reporters report what the news agencies like Reuters and Associated Press put out there.
So what appear on the surface to be independent media outlets are in reality just mediums for the dissemination of a very limited view of events. A system like that makes it very easy to shepherd millions of people's understanding of events into a teeny weeny fold.

Imo reporters for the main stream news outlets should be some of the lowest paid employees in our societies, they literally do sweet FA beyond copying and pasting what they have placed in front of them. Strangely though, they're rather well paid and held to be respected citizens in the main.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Dec 2012 18:06 #691

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Google is your friend...Namely if you Google pretty much any news event you find that the majority of the main stream news outlets report events almost identically. The reason for that is that they are not vehicles for journalists, they are vehicles for reporters. Those reporters report what the news agencies like Reuters and Associated Press put out there.
So what appear on the surface to be independent media outlets are in reality just mediums for the dissemination of a very limited view of events. A system like that makes it very easy to shepherd millions of people's understanding of events into a teeny weeny fold.

Imo reporters for the main stream news outlets should be some of the lowest paid employees in our societies, they literally do sweet FA beyond copying and pasting what they have placed in front of them. Strangely though, they're rather well paid and held to be respected citizens in the main.
All totally true. And, of course, we've already got books like "Manufacturing Consent" in which a propaganda model shows explicitly that the media systematically distorts information:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Cons...ass_Media#Criticisms
Editorial distortion is aggravated by the news media’s dependence upon private and governmental news sources. If a given newspaper, television station, magazine, etc., incurs governmental disfavor, it is subtly excluded from access to information. Consequently, it loses readers or viewers, and ultimately, advertisers. To minimize such financial danger, news media businesses editorially distort their reporting to favor government and corporate policies in order to stay in business.

Editorial bias: five filters

Herman and Chomsky's "propaganda model" describes five editorially distorting filters applied to news reporting in mass media:
Size, Ownership, and Profit Orientation: The dominant mass-media outlets are large firms which are run for profit. Therefore they must cater to the financial interest of their owners - often corporations or particular controlling investors. The size of the firms is a necessary consequence of the capital requirements for the technology to reach a mass audience.

The Advertising License to Do Business: Since the majority of the revenue of major media outlets derives from advertising (not from sales or subscriptions), advertisers have acquired a "de-facto licensing authority". Media outlets are not commercially viable without the support of advertisers. News media must therefore cater to the political prejudices and economic desires of their advertisers. This has weakened the working-class press, for example, and also helps explain the attrition in the number of newspapers.

Sourcing Mass Media News: Herman and Chomsky argue that “the large bureaucracies of the powerful subsidize the mass media, and gain special access [to the news], by their contribution to reducing the media’s costs of acquiring [...] and producing, news. The large entities that provide this subsidy become 'routine' news sources and have privileged access to the gates. Non-routine sources must struggle for access, and may be ignored by the arbitrary decision of the gatekeepers.”

Flak and the Enforcers: "Flak" refers to negative responses to a media statement or program (e.g. letters, complaints, lawsuits, or legislative actions). Flak can be expensive to the media, either due to loss of advertising revenue, or due to the costs of legal defense or defense of the media outlet's public image. Flak can be organized by powerful, private influence groups (e.g. think tanks). The prospect of eliciting flak can be a deterrent to the reporting of certain kinds of facts or opinions.

Anti-Communism: This was included as a filter in the original 1988 edition of the book, but Chomsky argues that since the end of the Cold War (1945–91), anticommunism was replaced by the "War on Terror", as the major social control mechanism.
And this is before you go into Operation Mockingbird:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
Operation Mockingbird was a secret Central Intelligence Agency campaign to influence media beginning in the 1950s.
And all of the stuff we know has occurred 100% on the record where the US government has hugely abused its position like COINTELPRO, MK Ultra, the massive sterilisation of black Americans, and as I said previously, we've seen something like Waco on American soil, where the US military was used to murder people completely gratuitously, which we know 100% because the video was played on PBS, but the government lied about it, and the commercial press repeated the government version verbatim, failed to broadcast this video, and failed to investigate the matter any further. And many, many more incidents.

But then we should automatically trust the mainstream press' view, and not be concerned when the FBI say they'll prosecute people who question their version of events!
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Dec 2012 18:13 #692

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The police radio scan...



When I'm less fatigued, I'll point out the many discrepancies can be highlighted by comparing info contained in this to things we're being told.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Dec 2012 19:24 #693

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One of the things which I omitted to look at initially (due to it, imo, seeming too ludicrous to contemplate) was the claim upheld by many, that the murdered Parker child had never actually existed, and all pictures of her were somebody else, and were photo shopped.

I still haven't looked into it properly. I'd seen this photo lots of times before, and I think it was shown in the papers alongside the pictures of Obama visiting the other children. But on seeing the below, it's another thing I'd like to research more deeply now, rather than dismissing out of hand.

And re the little girl on the left's legs - where are they?

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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Dec 2012 20:28 #694

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I don't really get what that pixellated picture is trying to show Gilly but yeah, I really can't see where the girl's legs are either :conf:
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Dec 2012 20:33 #695

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reporters report what the news agencies like Reuters and Associated Press put out there.
So what appear on the surface to be independent media outlets are in reality just mediums for the dissemination of a very limited view of events. A system like that makes it very easy to shepherd millions of people's understanding of events into a teeny weeny fold.

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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 23 Dec 2012 22:25 #696

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Gilly wrote:

It's in the video clip of the chief medical officer, Pheony. He was asked by a reporter if they'd all been identified, and he made a point of saying yes - but not by getting the parents together with the children, it was all done by photographs, and what great photographers he has.

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Yes Gilly, the chief medical officer said this after sky had said that the parents had seen the childrens bodies....

Have you seen Grace Mcdonnells parents being interviewed?..I saw it elsewhere tonight and couldn't detect any grief..very strange considering their daughter has been killed in such an awful way and it is so soon after her death.
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wake_up_bomb wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
Google is your friend...Namely if you Google pretty much any news event you find that the majority of the main stream news outlets report events almost identically. The reason for that is that they are not vehicles for journalists, they are vehicles for reporters. Those reporters report what the news agencies like Reuters and Associated Press put out there.
So what appear on the surface to be independent media outlets are in reality just mediums for the dissemination of a very limited view of events. A system like that makes it very easy to shepherd millions of people's understanding of events into a teeny weeny fold.

Imo reporters for the main stream news outlets should be some of the lowest paid employees in our societies, they literally do sweet FA beyond copying and pasting what they have placed in front of them. Strangely though, they're rather well paid and held to be respected citizens in the main.
All totally true. And, of course, we've already got books like "Manufacturing Consent" in which a propaganda model shows explicitly that the media systematically distorts information:
So do you adhere to that propaganda model yourself, it seems many people base their position solely on the existence of that propaganda model?

If that is what the media does "systematically distorts information", what do you think is the role of the alternative media, or say Gilly's input to this thread?

Or Pheony's input here:
Have you seen Grace Mcdonnells parents being interviewed?..I saw it elsewhere tonight and couldn’t detect any grief..very strange considering their daughter has been killed in such an awful way and it is so soon after her death
I respect your view as someone who has studied psychology, would you say these individuals recent ordeals make it easier or harder for us to make a conclusive judgement on their emotional/psychological state?

Would you say Pheony's statement carries a certain implication/subtext?
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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dubmeup wrote:
Google is your friend...Namely if you Google pretty much any news event you find that the majority of the main stream news outlets report events almost identically. The reason for that is that they are not vehicles for journalists, they are vehicles for reporters. Those reporters report what the news agencies like Reuters and Associated Press put out there.
That is such a weird statement, it's ultra surreal, ultra loaded, the real reason most news events on google news are covered similarly by different media outlets is because they are writing about the same events :up:
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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Or Pheony's input here:
Have you seen Grace Mcdonnells parents being interviewed?..I saw it elsewhere tonight and couldn’t detect any grief..very strange considering their daughter has been killed in such an awful way and it is so soon after her death
I respect your view as someone who has studied psychology, would you say these individuals recent ordeals make it easier or harder for us to make a conclusive judgement on their emotional/psychological state?

Others on here might suffer you, but I won't...so I will say this only once...piss off.
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You missed the point Gue. They cover those same events with very often, the very same words. Perhaps you haven't noticed :coffee:
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