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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 25 Dec 2012 03:42 #821

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The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 25 Dec 2012 03:58 #822

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www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la...1224,0,3210053.story
As with Adam Lanza's rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., Roberts had no obvious connection to the site of his killing or a clear explanation for the attack. He'd broken up with a girlfriend fairly recently and had quit his job at a sandwich shop with plans to go to Hawaii. Friends said the trip fell through, and they didn't know why. Roberts stole an acquaintance's assault rifle and arrived at the mall wearing black clothing and a hockey mask and shouting "I am the shooter!" witnesses said.

Kristina said she didn't hold a grudge. "He might have had a hard life," she told KATU-TV. "I don’t know what his life was like or his reasons for doing what he did. So I can’t exactly blame him."

She lost her composure when she described a groundswell of encouragement from the community.

"I’ve had a lot of support from a lot of people. People were sending cards, calling, emailing, saying that they’re praying for me," she said. "That really helped. It’s a big impact. A lot of people were praying and keeping me and my family in their thoughts."
The mean­ings that are the most directly prac­ti­cal are the ones that are sac­ri­ficed: the fla­vor, aroma and touch are abol­ished to the profit of the delu­sions that per­ma­nently lead sight and hear­ing astray.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 25 Dec 2012 08:05 #823

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Andy i'm all for proper investigative journalism so i'm waiting for responses to post 807...

You clearly don't give a fuck because you believe everything you are told without question.
Your 807 post was already answered by me in 812.

The scenario I outlined is indeed probable and there is no way in hell for you to now know if people are getting killed for political purposes. Nor for that matter do you seem to care.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 25 Dec 2012 14:00 #824

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andyh wrote:
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Andy i'm all for proper investigative journalism so i'm waiting for responses to post 807...

You clearly don't give a fuck because you believe everything you are told without question.
Your 807 post was already answered by me in 812.

The scenario I outlined is indeed probable and there is no way in hell for you to now know if people are getting killed for political purposes. Nor for that matter do you seem to care.

I don't give a fuck? Andy your full of shit....

Nothing you mentioned in post 812 explains anything about why this is a conspiracy or how this could be covered up.
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Why is it that people question the parents and media and the president and mention bank scandals and gun control but nobody really has a theory about how it all links together. I have been asked to explain all kinds of things like smiles etc and yet nobody has offered a guess even as to the point of this conspiracy. Is it all to get the father to testify about something? Was it a huge operation by the president to introduce a gun law even though somebody could just introduce a bill or they could have used James Holmes or any other shooting event recently, they are common here you know?
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IMO there are a lot of people who misguidedly believe if it wasn't for some evil group of undefined persons everything in the world would be rosy, to me events like these display the alienation that is rife and more often unspoken, unheard, until somebody lashes out, people don't care too much these days, if somebody was nice to Adam Lanza perhaps this would never have happened?
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Lets say hypothetically speaking :).... some geezer shoots lanzas mum in their own house then drags in adam lanza to school all drugged up and shoots the crap out of all the kids, he then shoots lanza and puts the gun in his hand and then walks off into the woods.
He gets accidentally arrested and released without question later.
Then the media start talking complete crap about what happened without bothering to investigate and the cops aren't any the wiser in the main and the coroner is a complete inept asshole.

The govt then have an excuse to implement tougher gun regs, the public get all worked up about it, adam lanza and the kids died for nothing along with a few teachers, the real shooter gets away scot free and no-one is any the wiser.

Does this scenario seem probable in the slightest given the laughable farce we have been shown thus far?
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If this really was a massive conspiracy with all these parents being played by actors that's wild...

Like i-batser said if tptb wanted to change gun laws they could just use the James Holmes story.

But this can't be about gun laws because there is already 300 million guns in America so it won't matter.

Andy the bold part about some geezer dragging adam lanza to school all drugged up is kinda crazy...tbh

^ Honestly just tell me who would do that to change gun laws because it makes no sense to me.

Guev I would agree that if somebody was nice to Adam Lanza perhaps this would never have happened.

But he might have had no friends because all he did was take psychotropic drugs and play call of duty.

As an American i just don't understand what the point of this giant conspiracy would be.

I really have a hard time believing that everyone involved would be paid off actors for many reasons.

What about all the other kids who went to the school that did not die, what about their parents also.

In a community like sandy hook how could all this be covered up? what about the other teachers that lived?

For instance this guy Robbie Parker has to be from some community so his acting could be debunked in time.

All the parents friends? All the teachers friends? All the kids friends? All part of conspiracy for gun control?

Think about that.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 25 Dec 2012 16:53 #825

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I'lll guarantee there's a reactionary conspiracy theory about Lady Gaga too, right Novum?

I dont know what others thoughts are on this.

I think that leaders in society do not want people to feel isolated, for a number of reasons, they can see that it is creating problems, so they are beginning to address it.

:yeahno: R U Serios?

Lady Gaga does not want people to feel isolated so she is going on a whirlwind cross country tour saying bullies are bad?

:woot: :evil: :shlap:

I don't think that will help anything. She is just sticking a promo tag on her tour :cheer: and bullying won't stop because of it. :butkik:

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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 25 Dec 2012 17:07 #826

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andyh wrote:
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Andy do you really think some geezer shoots lanzas mum in their own house then drags in adam lanza to school all drugged up and shoots the crap out of all the kids, he then shoots lanza and puts the gun in his hand and then walks off into the woods.

^ Honestly just tell me who would do that to change gun laws because it makes no sense to me.

Yeah sure why not?

Do you think your leaders haven't discussed using nuclear weapons in the past just for the hell of it?
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Does that bother you? LMFAO!!!

And you think people wouldn't construct events to get their own way like this? ROFL!!!!
Do you honestly think Nixon was the only lunatic in charge over there?

Everyone should hear this to get an idea of the psychopathy that governs our country if not our world. :waa:
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 25 Dec 2012 17:44 #827

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noseymutegirl wrote:
andyh wrote:
.......... wrote:

Andy do you really think some geezer shoots lanzas mum in their own house then drags in adam lanza to school all drugged up and shoots the crap out of all the kids, he then shoots lanza and puts the gun in his hand and then walks off into the woods.

^ Honestly just tell me who would do that to change gun laws because it makes no sense to me.

Yeah sure why not?

Do you think your leaders haven't discussed using nuclear weapons in the past just for the hell of it?
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Does that bother you? LMFAO!!!

And you think people wouldn't construct events to get their own way like this? ROFL!!!!
Do you honestly think Nixon was the only lunatic in charge over there?

Everyone should hear this to get an idea of the psychopathy that governs our country if not our world. :waa:

RA is not interested, none of it exists and thats all just 'conspiracy theory' the media is just fine and they tell the total truth without having to investigate jack shit. :D
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 25 Dec 2012 17:51 #828

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Nixon was a real fiend about recording everything which is why that tape exists. I can only imagine what kind of conversations have taken place since then especially when you factor in today's technology and lots of time to come up with all kinds of plans, some of them probably being experiments on US soil.

I think RA is a conspiracy theorist because he jumps through more hoops to get to his conclusions. Not all of which I disagree with, but on the whole it sounds like theory and not fact.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 25 Dec 2012 19:13 #829

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I think RA is a conspiracy theorist because he jumps through more hoops to get to his conclusions. Not all of which I disagree with, but on the whole it sounds like theory and not fact.

This is what i wan't to know and can't get any logical answers on...

I'm having a hard time believing that everyone involved would be paid off actors for many reasons.

There would have to be hundreds of paid off actors that could never speak a word about any of this.

What about all the other kids who went to the school that did not die, what about their parents also.

In a community like sandy hook how could all this be covered up? what about the other teachers that lived?

For instance this guy Robbie Parker has to be from some community so his acting could be debunked in time.

All the parents friends? All the teachers friends? All the kids friends? All part of conspiracy for gun control?

What about the friends of all these people who live in the same neighborhoods?

How could all this be covered up without anyone talking?

Think about that please...
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 25 Dec 2012 19:19 #830

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noseymutegirl wrote:
I think RA is a conspiracy theorist because he jumps through more hoops to get to his conclusions. Not all of which I disagree with, but on the whole it sounds like theory and not fact.

This is what i wan't to know and can't get any logical answers on...

I'm having a hard time believing that everyone involved would be paid off actors for many reasons.

There would have to be hundreds of paid off actors that could never speak a word about any of this.

What about all the other kids who went to the school that did not die, what about their parents also.

In a community like sandy hook how could all this be covered up? what about the other teachers that lived?

For instance this guy Robbie Parker has to be from some community so his acting could be debunked in time.

All the parents friends? All the teachers friends? All the kids friends? All part of conspiracy for gun control?

What about the friends of all these people who live in the same neighborhoods?

How could all this be covered up without anyone talking?

Think about that please...

There doesn't have to be any actors at all.
Just a real gunman who doesn't get arrested, simple as.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 25 Dec 2012 19:41 #831

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andyh wrote:

There doesn't have to be any actors at all.
Just a real gunman who doesn't get arrested, simple as.

Try explaining that to everyone in this thread who thought Robbie Parker was an actor...
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 25 Dec 2012 19:50 #832

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andyh wrote:

There doesn't have to be any actors at all.
Just a real gunman who doesn't get arrested, simple as.

Try explaining that to everyone in this thread who thought Robbie Parker was an actor...

His appearance is suss is all.

That said the other facts surrounding the case are ridiculous to say the least.
The gun in the boot of a car that was said to be used and was said to be a long rifle, then this stuff about machine gun rounds and an ar15 and the gun in the boot is a shotgun and the guy handling it seems to be ungloved.

The media sucks donkey balls basically, just repeating whatever they are told and thats a dangerous situation to be in.
Millions of americans seem quite happy with it though so long as they get to continue shopping.

Getting to the bottom of who actually committed the crime is completely irrelevant. Even the coroner looks like a complete inept asshole let alone the police.

Who needs conspiracy theories with millions of idiots like that? Said idiots includes the media and the gov too.
If they said Osama Bin Laden did it they'd fucking believe it lol.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 25 Dec 2012 20:28 #833

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Then there's the oddity that we are told that the car Lanza used was his mum's when it's actually registered to one Chris Rodia, a shady character with a drug habit who lives hundreds of miles away. A career petty criminal who goes in and out of jail but owns a nearly new car he leaves in Newtown. A guy who shared an address with another petty criminal with a penchant for Nazi memorabilia who's mother works for a company that produces the same drug Rodia seems to be addicted to and who's father did time for making illegal assault rifles and who's family are friends with the Lanza's.

But as I said, we're told the car was Lanza's mum's :dunno:
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 25 Dec 2012 20:36 #834

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Then there's the oddity that we are told that the car Lanza used was his mum's when it's actually registered to one Chris Rodia, a shady character with a drug habit who lives hundreds of miles away. A career petty criminal who goes in and out of jail but owns a nearly new car he leaves in Newtown. A guy who shared an address with another petty criminal with a penchant for Nazi memorabilia and who's mother works for a company that produces the same drug Rodia seems to be addicted to and who's father did time for making illegal assault rifles and who's family are friends with the Lanza's.

But as I said, we're told the car was Lanza's mum's :dunno:

Did the media show it as registered to Rodia?
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 25 Dec 2012 20:41 #835

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Apparently not. They showed the car and it's reg plates. Someone then went and looked it all up.
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 25 Dec 2012 20:49 #836

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Apparently not. They showed the car and it's reg plates. Someone then went and looked it all up.

:facepalm:

So a member of the public now does more investigative journalism....ffs what is the world coming to
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 25 Dec 2012 20:59 #837

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Again, it's rookie shit innit. Saying the car belongs to one person and then putting up pics with the plates that clearly show that to be false...I aint saying it's evidence of a conspiracy...it's certainly evidence that reporters are everything we've labelled them as in this thread though eh. :fap: ers
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Again, it's rookie shit innit. Saying the car belongs to one person and then putting up pics with the plates that clearly show that to be false...I aint saying it's evidence of a conspiracy...it's certainly evidence that reporters are everything we've labelled them as in this thread though eh. :fap: ers

So this is the same car with the shotgun in the back yep?

Or is that a 2nd car Lanza used? :D
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 25 Dec 2012 21:24 #839

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andyh wrote:

There doesn't have to be any actors at all.
Just a real gunman who doesn't get arrested, simple as.

Try explaining that to everyone in this thread who thought Robbie Parker was an actor...

I think he was acting. As to your other questions, which were good, I'm thinking about it.

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“[My staff] and I hope the people of Newtown don’t have it crash on their head later.” –Connecticut Medical Examiner D. Wayne Carver II, MD, December 15, 2012

Inconsistencies and anomalies abound when one turns an analytical eye to news of the Newtown school massacre. The public’s general acceptance of the event’s validity and faith in its resolution suggests a deepened credulousness borne from a world where almost all news and information is electronically mediated and controlled. The condition is reinforced through the corporate media’s unwillingness to push hard questions vis-à-vis Connecticut and federal authorities who together bottlenecked information while invoking prior restraint through threats of prosecutorial action against journalists and the broader citizenry seeking to interpret the event on social media.

Along these lines on December 19 the Connecticut State Police assigned individual personnel to each of the 26 families who lost a loved one at Sandy Hook Elementary. “The families have requested no press interviews,” State Police assert on their behalf, “and we are asking that this request be honored.[1] The de facto gag order will be in effect until the investigation concludes—now forecast to be “several months away” even though lone gunman Adam Lanza has been confirmed as the sole culprit.[2]
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The Accidental Medical Examiner

An especially important yet greatly underreported feature of the Sandy Hook affair is the wholly bizarre performance of Connecticut’s top medical examiner H. Wayne Carver II at a December 15 press conference. Carver’s unusual remarks and behavior warrant close consideration because in light of his professional notoriety they appear remarkably amateurish and out of character.
....
Along these lines the pathologist has gone to excessive lengths to demonstrate his findings and expert opinion in court proceedings. For example, in a famous criminal case Carver “put a euthanized pig through a wood chipper so jurors could match striations on the bone fragments with the few ounces of evidence that prosecutors said were on the remains of the victim.”[4] One would therefore expect Carver to be in his element while identifying and verifying the exact ways in which Sandy Hook’s children and teachers met their violent demise.

Yet the H. Wayne Carver who showed up to the December 15 press conference is an almost entirely different man, appearing apprehensive and uncertain, as if he is at a significant remove from the postmortem operation he had overseen. The multiple gaffes, discrepancies, and hedges in response to reporters’ astute questions suggest that he is either under coercion or an imposter. While the latter sounds untenable it would go a long way in explaining his sub-pedestrian grasp of medical procedures and terminology.

Reporter #1: So the rifle was the primary weapon?

H. Wayne Carver: Yes.

Reporter #1: [Inaudible]

Carver: Uh (pause). Question was what caliber were these bullets. And I know—I probably know more about firearms than most pathologists but if I say it in court they yell at me and don’t make me answer [sic]—so [nervous laughter]. I’ll let the police do that for you.

Reporter #2: Doctor can you tell us about the nature of the wounds. Were they at very close range? Were the children shot at from across the room?

Carver: Uhm, I only did seven of the autopsies. The victims I had ranged from three to eleven wounds apiece and I only saw two of them with close range shooting. Uh, but that’s, uh y’know, a sample. Uh, I really don’t have detailed information on the rest of the injuries.

[Given that Carver is Connecticut’s top coroner and in charge of the entire postmortem this is a startling admission.-JT]

Reporter #3: But you said that the long rifle was used?

Carver: Yes.

Reporter #3: But the long rifle was discovered in the car.

State Police Lieutenant Vance: That’s not correct, sir.

Unidentified reporter #4: How many bullets or bullet fragments did you find in the autopsy. Can you tell us that?

Carver: Oh. I’m lucky I can tell you how many I found. I don’t know. There were lots of them, OK? This type of weapon is not, uh … the bullets are designed in such a fashion that the energy—this is very clinical. I shouldn’t be saying this. But the energy is deposited in the tissue so the bullet stays in [the tissue].

[In fact, the Bushmaster .223 Connecticut police finally claimed was used in the shooting is designed for long range field use and utilizes high velocity bullets averaging 3,000 feet-per-second, the energy of which even at considerable distance would penetrate several bodies before finally coming to rest in tissue.]

Reporter #5: How close were the injuries?

Carver: Uh, all the ones (pause). I believe say, yes [sic].

Reporter #6: In what shape were the bodies when the families were brought to check [inaudible].

Carver: Uh, we did not bring the bodies and the families into contact. We took pictures of them, uhm, of their facial features. We have, uh, uh—it’s easier on the families when you do that. Un, there is, uh, a time and place for the up close and personal in the grieving process, but to accomplish this we thought it would be best to do it this way and, uh, you can sort of, uh … You can control a situation depending on the photographer, and I have very good photographers. Uh, but uh—

Reporter #7: Do you know the difference of the time of death between the mother in the house and the bodies recovered [in the school].

Carver: Uh, no, I don’t. Sorry [shakes head excitedly] I don’t! [embarrassed laugh]

Reporter #8: Did the gunman kill himself with the rifle?

Carver: No. I—I don’t know yet. I’ll-I’ll examine him tomorrow morning. But, but I don’t think so.

[Why has Carver left arguably the most important specimen for last? And why doesn't he think Lanza didn't commit suicide with the rifle?]

Reporter #9: In terms of the children, were they all found in one classroom or—

Carver: Uhm … [inaudible] [Turns to Lieutenant Vance] Paul and company will deal with that.

Reporter #9: What?

Carver: Paul and company will deal with that. Lieutenant Vance is going to handle that one.

Reporter #10: Was there any evidence of a struggle? Any bruises?

Carver: No.

Reporter #11: The nature of the shooting; is there any sense that there was a lot of care taken with precision [inaudible] or randomly?

Carver: [Exhales while glancing upward, as if frustrated] Both. It’s a very difficult question to answer … You’d think after thousands of people I’ve seen shot but I … It’s … If I attempted to answer it in court there’d be an objection and then they’d win—[nervous laughter].

[Who would win? Why does an expert whose routine job as a public employee is to provide impartial medical opinion concerned with winning and losing in court? Further, Carver is not in court but rather at a press conference.]

Reporter #12: Doctor, can you discuss the fatal injuries to the adults?

Carver: Ah, they were similar to those of the children.

Reporter #13: Doctor, the children you had autopsied, where in the bodies were they hit?

Carver: Uhm [pause]. All over. All over.

Reporter #14: Were [the students] sitting at their desks or were they running away when this happened?

Carver: I’ll let the guys who—the scene guys talk—address that issue. I, uh, obviously I was at the scene. Obviously I’m very experienced in that. But there are people who are, uh, the number one professionals in that. I’ll let them—let that [voice trails off].

Reporter [#15]: How many boys and how many girls [were killed]?

Carver: [Slowly shaking his head] I don’t know.
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■Why Were Medical Personnel Turned Away From the Crime Scene?
Oddly enough medical personnel are forced to set up their operation not at the school where the dead and injured lay, but rather at the fire station several hundred feet away. This flies in the face of standard medical operating procedure where personnel are situated as close to the scene as possible. There is no doubt that the school had ample room to accommodate such personnel. Yet medical responders who rushed to Sandy Hill Elementary upon receiving word of the tragedy were denied entry to the school and forced to set up primary and secondary triages off school grounds and wait for the injured to be brought to them.

More at www.globalresearch.ca/the-sandy-hook-sch...-information/5316776
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Re: 27 Dead in School Shooting - Sandy Hook Elementary School 25 Dec 2012 21:42 #840

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andyh wrote:
dubmeup wrote:
Again, it's rookie shit innit. Saying the car belongs to one person and then putting up pics with the plates that clearly show that to be false...I aint saying it's evidence of a conspiracy...it's certainly evidence that reporters are everything we've labelled them as in this thread though eh. :fap: ers

So this is the same car with the shotgun in the back yep?

Or is that a 2nd car Lanza used? :D
Same car apparently
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