Excuse my ignorance but would the majority of funders/donators not have given purely on the understanding they were funding a station which was to be broadcast on the main airwaves and not a glorified group vlog?
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Absolutely, since that was what was pitched to them.
That was also my understanding.
Was the opposite for me - I never once thought this was going to be on terrestrial or satelite TV. This was what attracted me to help fund it as I don't have a TV and don't pay a TV Licence, so had it been on 'TV' I would not have been able to watch it. I saw the Icke interview with Luke (WE are change) at Bilderburg and it was explained fully there that it would be on the internet. Also the original Indieggo appeal said it was internet. I think what confused a lot of people was the use of the word 'TV' - Bad thinking on thier part as it was bound to cause confusion - and it did. Once ppl started to repeatedly ask on DIF about this because they were confused, then I think David should have done more to clear up the confusion - instead he did nothing and let the confusion go on. But like I say - I was never confused by it.
They keep asking for money while they haven't produced anything worthy. FIRST you gotta show what you got! People already trusted them enough to sent them over 300k, now they want another 400k
That's fucking insane,
And after calling us all idiots what did he expect. The majority of his donors would obviously tell him to stick it after that. Biting the hand that feeds is never a good idea.
As regards Ofcom, TPV have said the law was changed to include internet broadcasting and that is why a licence was required.
I also understand the idea of making it available on Freeview was discussed but the cost would have been prohibitive but I've no idea whether that is true or not.
I have always understood it to be primarily an internet-based TV station, because DI wanted to reach out beyond UK borders.
27 minutes into the Richie Allen show with Mr Icke due to do the papers in about 5 minutes and its gone off the air again. Or am I just a Conspiracy theorist?
Does Mr Icke have a problem appearing live?
It seems to go off nearly every time he's due to go live.
As regards Ofcom, TPV have said the law was changed to include internet broadcasting and that is why a licence was required.
I also understand the idea of making it available on Freeview was discussed but the cost would have been prohibitive but I've no idea whether that is true or not.
I have always understood it to be primarily an internet-based TV station, because DI wanted to reach out beyond UK borders.
Perhaps the majority of his followers are outside the UK since they seem to be the only people that are supporting him at present.
I'm getting rather concerned about the child abuse aspect now...and by that I mean the coverage (and lack thereof) on TPV.
- Sonia hits quite hard about this in her short time there, but then is unable to continue
- The two main 'anchors' now - Allen and Windows - don't seem to know the first thing about the subject (Richie Allen says there would never be any impropriety at the likes of the paedophilic BBC ffs!)
- Bill Maloney - who helped give a platform to Icke once at a rally - is totally ignored, as are other leading activists/researchers in this area
- Lots of strange stuff happened on the Savile thread on DIF from the start imo - 'random' bannings of genuine posters (including child abuse victims) who seemed to be actually posting some of the best stuff, and obstruction of others
- No actual 'news' show - which almost every day would feature the ongoing institutional and establishment child abuse scandal in the UK. Instead we have Ickey picking and choosing other stories as presented by the MSM and using them to pontificate
- Edwina Currie, who officially put Jimmy Savile in charge of Broadmoor, and wrote in her published diaries that she knew at least one paedophile was among Thatcher's closest aides, is interviewed twice (?) by the same inept muppet (Richie Allen) who apparently hasn't even heard of Jimmy Savile, and is not questioned on it (bet she wouldn't have gone on Sonia Pouton's show!)
- David Icke has been shown to have edited the quotes from Currie's diaries to leave out some of the most incriminating bits (!)
- The show WTF - 'porn' episode. They have a good chuckle about how young they all were when they first watched porn (with the consensus being it's 'usual' now about the age of 12). They also talk generally about how to get child porn from the 'dark web'. Their guest was a 'porn star' who justified the sado-masochistic lesbian stuff she does as 'acting' but said she drew the line at 'ageplay' on webcam (basically where the 'performers' dress and act underage, and play out the 'fantasies' of those paying) but lots of her friends do it.
- I saw this show first broadcast one Sunday around noon, is often on repeat, and names one of the most disgusting legal videos ever to have been uploaded to the internet afaik, which many viewers would not have been aware of, but as it was such a 'gas' to these people, may very well have looked at afterwards out of interest.
- Peter Tatchell (known paedo apologist who now says he was misquoted and misunderstood blah, blah, blah and 'human rights campaigner') has been on a few times. Including the initial Telethon! This seems to have been one of the reasons Sonia didn't take part that night (the other being, she says, that she didn't think it fair to ask for even more money before they'd started, which is a wonderful stand imo). However, David Icke addressed that question on the Telethon, and had a huge rant about people misjudging Tatchell and 'unfairly' questioning his inclusion. Why is David Icke so vehemently promoting Tatchell that he was one of the first guests on and had a diatribe in his defence?
- THAT photo of Russell Brand and Icke at The Groucho Club, Soho, London, whose website was busted for hosting a massive paedophile ring (which didn't receive the attention it should have). That club (other members obviously include all the MSM types like Keith Allen) is notorious for drugs etc and has private rooms upstairs where - it's rumoured - more or less anything you like can be discretely arranged for you.
- Icke says he named Savile while alive, but I cannot find any link to that. Anyone got one?
- I'm sure there's more, these are just off the top of my head.
I'm not suggesting anything about Icke or any other individual, but this all seems quite wrong to me - the opposite in fact of what it should be.
Richie Allen, as well as failing to grill Currie or notice any impropriety of Jimmy Savile at the BBC, calmly reported the verdict of the Woolwich 'killers' on his show that day. And that was it. A minute (if that) to report the sentence before moving on.
This is Bill Maloney committing treason at the rally against child abuse (the same one he helped to give David a platform at):
I know there is a certain amount of resistance to working within the System, on here, but given that TPV is overseen by Ofcom, should we not make use of that in order to voice concerns more substantively? (I.e. go beyond discussing it with each other).
David Icke - brainwashing, subliminal messaging and programmes about government presented as dramas, police, military. They’re pure propaganda.
The alpha state is created by watching television. It lasts up to an hour after you stop watching. High Definition TV has greater brainwashing and hypnosis power. Anyone who watches TV cannot be deprogrammed. People who stop watching TV go through depression. TV keeps people dumb, compliant and going along with the system. TV watchers have no opinions of their own. TV can be classified as a drug, which puts people into a trance-like state. Advertisers make use of the hypnotic state of mind. Did you ever buy something and wonder later why did you buy it? You are programmed to have a preference for particular product. Same goes for ideas. We are conditioned to respond in a particular way.
If we go on in this dreamworld, we will live within an Orweliian state of totalitarian control.
Is this not the elephant in the room, according to icke we best not be watching television.
So why is he asking people to fund what they best not watch?
This is where my bottom line would be if it existed.
@ Quality Street - Thanks for that clarification re the broadcasting medium.
@ Electricdreams - Yes, that all sounds a bit odd, to say the least. I wondered what had been going on with the Saville thread, as I've noticed a few people complaining about deletion of posts & intimidation my mod's on there.
They'd have had to delete anything that might have led to a libel case, but beyond that, I'd like to know what was happening.It would be pointless to go & read that thread now as it's already been doctored. But yes, by all means start a thread.
I've no idea where anyone stands legally re asking for refunds on any grounds (such as suspicion of misappropriation / disrepute), but it's worth asking Paypal the question. The financial ombudsman's an option perhaps?
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They keep asking for money while they haven't produced anything worthy. FIRST you gotta show what you got! People already trusted them enough to sent them over 300k, now they want another 400k
That's fucking insane,
And after calling us all idiots what did he expect. The majority of his donors would obviously tell him to stick it after that. Biting the hand that feeds is never a good idea.
I think I may have had someone elses words attributed to me there.
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i absolutely think OFCOM should be alerted as should indegogo
They keep asking for money while they haven't produced anything worthy. FIRST you gotta show what you got! People already trusted them enough to sent them over 300k, now they want another 400k
That's fucking insane,
And after calling us all idiots what did he expect. The majority of his donors would obviously tell him to stick it after that. Biting the hand that feeds is never a good idea.
I think I may have had someone elses words attributed to me there.
Yeah probably my browser when I replied which it seems to have done again..
As regards Ofcom, TPV have said the law was changed to include internet broadcasting and that is why a licence was required.
I also understand the idea of making it available on Freeview was discussed but the cost would have been prohibitive but I've no idea whether that is true or not.
I have always understood it to be primarily an internet-based TV station, because DI wanted to reach out beyond UK borders.
Richard D Hall from richplanet.com used to be on satellite until he was removed, and he's a two man band with his lady Kerry with hardly a penny to rub together so I don't think cost would have been too much of an issue.
@ Quality Street - Thanks for that clarification re the broadcasting medium.
@ Electricdreams - Yes, that all sounds a bit odd, to say the least. I wondered what had been going on with the Saville thread, as I've noticed a few people complaining about deletion of posts & intimidation my mod's on there.
They'd have had to delete anything that might have led to a libel case, but beyond that, I'd like to know what was happening.It would be pointless to go & read that thread now as it's already been doctored. But yes, by all means start a thread.
I've no idea where anyone stands legally re asking for refunds on any grounds (such as suspicion of misappropriation / disrepute), but it's worth asking Paypal the question. The financial ombudsman's an option perhaps?
Some of the long term posters on the savile thread avatars have included - images of zipped lips, troll spray and signatures such as "this post will delete in 30 sec" etc
i absolutely think OFCOM should be alerted as should indegogo
I have just been on the phone to OFCOM re TPV. I specifically mentioned (a) concerns about funding and (b) downtime.
OFCOM confirmed that they would definitely be prepared to consider any complaints about these such issues. So, perhaps we can take Mr Icke at his word - and actually DO something................ boom, boom, boom as he said!
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In DIF they used to have this thread, which was very long. i remember at the very end because he was asked to close it,
Months later sean closed it with a post saying, "we should be more open to these topics"
Later the Jimmy Savile paedophile news blew, and the thread dissapeared.
And they started their long thread against Savile going on still today.
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