i think they were more like fred and wilma. but always there is the temptation of betty.

Aye mikey There were allot of influences in that region when Jesus was around,do you see Jesus coming from a traditional/conservative jewish point of view or a Hellenistic point of view?

To me he seems like he was promoting a traditional/conservative Jewish religion,do you know what his opinions of the Hasmonean Dynasty (164 BCE to 63 BCE) and Machabees army was?

As you probably know Alexander the Great's (356 BC to 323 BC) influence to this area was massive with Greek influences in every major city which affected religion,buildings,way of life etc (this is the hellenisation aspect).

The strong holds of traditional Judaism were to be found in the backwaters and country areas (similar to when UK changed to Protestantism from Catholicism)

There seems to have been an influence from hellenised Judaism in the writing of the bible,so possibly a group of Greek influenced Jews wrote about a conservative Jew giving him a so called make over making him more inclusive than exclusive to people?

Yeah its slightly off topic

On the other hand it could have been arse about face

At the risk of being accused of repeating myself again, I would like to underline the very curious lack of basic theological knowledge of this Professor and the BBC.


Both the Pro­fesser and the BBC The­ol­ogy depart­ment are deceiv­ing their read­er­ship: the sug­ges­tion being that Mag­da­lene is not a Dis­ci­ple.

This is NOT true.


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Is this a genuine oversight?

It seems unlikely that a Prof would be tat ignorant of their chosen field.

humanspirit wrote:
Well it depends what y mean by traditional and conservative.

Could you provide your definitin and perhaps provide evidence and/or reasons why you think so?

mikey.. professor king:
www.westarinstitute.org/Fellows/king.html
Karen L. King
Winn Professor of Ecclesiastical History
at Harvard University in the Divinity School
Books

The Gospel of Mary of Magdala: Jesus and the First Woman Apostle, 2003.
What is Gnosticism? 2003.
For the Children, Perfect Instruction. Studies in Honor of Hans-Martin Schenke on the Occasion of the Berliner Arbeitskreis für Koptisch-gnostische Schriften's Thirtieth Year, 2002 (co-editor with Hans-Gebhard Bethge, Stephen Emmel, and Imke Schletterer)
Women and Goddess Traditions in Antiquity and Today, 1997 (editor)
Revelation of the Unknowable God: NHC XI.3 Allogenes, Introduction, Critical Text, Translation and Notes, 1996
Images of the Feminine in Gnosticism, 1988 (editor)

www.westarinstitute.org/Polebridge/marymagdala.html

Lost for more than fifteen hundred years, the Gospel of Mary is the only existing early Christian gospel written in the name of a woman. Karen L. King tells the story of the recovery of this remarkable gospel and offers a new translation. This brief narrative presents a radical interpretation of Jesus' teachings as a path to inner spiritual knowledge. It rejects his suffering and death as a path to eternal life and exposes the view that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute for what it is—a piece of theological fiction. The Gospel of Mary of Magdala offers a fascinating glimpse into the conflicts and controversies that shaped earliest Christianity.

Includes complete photos of the Berlin Codex, Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 3525, and the Rylands Papyrus.

mikey mikey wrote: Broken record in a literal sense: The act of repeating ones own words. You did it in comparison

silvershine wrote:
Could you provide a quote?

I am not sure what you mean.

Could you also answer my question as to why you chose criminals and murderers in your comparsin?

mikey mikey wrote: They weren't chosen for the reason of being criminals , they were chosen for their similar circumstance.
Now, stop acting silly.

I don't need to provide a quote, go back and read it.

silvershine wrote:
I did not say that you needed to. I simply asked you to.

batou wrote:
Many thanks.

My first post did point to Gnostics. Context is very important when peope claim "research" and "findings".

mikey mikey wrote: I know I don't need to Mikey thats why I said it first!

You should consider a career in politics, you are top notch at twisting things.

silvershine wrote:
What have I twisted?

Maybe it is time for clarification: I welcome open and honest discussion on the life of Christ and anything we casn learn from Hs life is of enourmous value.

However, any infrmation presented as historical evidence that might add to what we know should be subject to scrutiny. Now we know that this Prof has not been reported as a Gnostic (why?) and also that the there is a critical item of misinformation (Magdalene has not been considered a Disciple when in fact she always has been) has been propogated.

Why?

Surely this should cause some skepticism.

mikey mikey wrote:
You twist what people write and it looks like you deliberately misunderstand the point being put across.

I wont be playing your games anymore.

@Sivershine

But where?

Would you PLEASE address my concerns about how this script has been reported?

mikey mikey wrote:
Fictional? he was a descendent of JC according to the last part of the paragraph. The morovian bloodline.

silvershine wrote: I think you'll find that is meant to be taken in the context of the Dan Brown books.
The Wiki page is titled: "List of The Da Vinci Code characters".

feather wrote: Read it again, that is not how I read it.

*quote* Saunière's name may be based on Bérenger Saunière, a real person who was extensively mentioned in Holy Blood, Holy Grail. In the film, he was portrayed by Jean-Pierre Marielle. He was actually a descendent of Jesus Christ but due to the vatican's wrath he was forced to change his surname. *unquote*

This is Wikipedia...right?

silvershine wrote: Yip, Thee absolutely most reliable reference repository in the world evah!

My position on this topic..
As Mikey would tell you mate, I'm an atheist. (That's no grief between us btw we acknowledge and respect each others views on this front and agree on loads of others), so I obviously have yet to be convinced of the existence of Jesus Christ never mind his alleged marital partner(s) or descendants.

feather wrote: I have read some Wiki's that I think have been wrongly edited. Who controls it all?

Your an atheist, you are that decided?

Yeah. I've not seen any convincing evidence for a deity or deities yet.
I'm always open to tangible evidence though.