I think Thoreau has it bang on.
TPV hasn't just squandered money, it's squandered trust, goodwill and respect. I think for many, given the nasty actions of Icke's henchmen, that will never be returned to them.

But that's the bit I don't get. Where are these people? Where is the outrage and questions? I know many people have been banned but for so much money to have been raised prior and so little raised now, you would think there would be hell on the DIF with people pissed off and the backlash against the whole operation but it's just so quiet? Maybe they took the high road and quietly walked away.


The trust is gone and David isn't stupid he knows that. He knows Wembley this year is probably going to be the last. His current book is promoted as being all the dots connected. There's not a lot else he can do. He said so himself, TPV was a last chance to have a right go at the establishment and maybe deep down he really believes that and it's everyone around him taking him for a ride. He already said prior to the first Wembley show he didn't want to travel the world anymore and do shows. I think we are coming to the end and it's gonna be a car crash and leave a lot of people with bitter tastes in their mouths because in this country David Icke is seen as the main man against the establishment. We don't have an Alex Jones or a TV channel/radio station on our side. Certainly nothing with that kind of budget. We have nothing, that's it. We don't have a voice. We don't have someone to talk for us, we have David and that's a double edged sword. Maybe it will take some of us to do it ourselves.

Icke's day as some sort of champion against the Orwellian society is over - if it ever began. Many sheeple think he died years ago!

This has got fuck all to do with TPV, so I apologise in advance.
My question is: If Mr Icke is in such pain and discomfort, and I wish the guy no harm, but if he suffers so much, does that mean he is not utilising the tools he has preached about for years. Alternative health is what I'm on about, bioenergetics , Rife-machines, the power of thought etc etc

Sorry for thread-jacking, just a question that popped into my field....................

I think he does get some healing done doesn't he? I know he mentioned seeing various healers to help with his arthritis, I've never seen one so I don't know how it all works or if it helps him. Doesn't he type with 2 fingers too?

crazybeats wrote:
He is obviously seeing the wrong healers, IMHO.

I can only type with two fingers, but that's coz I is fick, innit?

Timelord wrote: Yeah, I agree and I agree with everything Thoreau said. I was hopeful they could do something decent, but they've mainfestly failed to do that (although I will give them some credit for getting some good guests on) and squandered all of the genuine enthusiasm which they could have drawn on.

IMHO the biggest failing is once again getting professional media people in to run it. I see this time and time again. It's never what you know, how passionate you are, what you can convey, it's always whether you've done it before and what's on your CV. Which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever given that it's supposed to be an antidote to the existing media! Richie Allen is not up to it. He doesn't have the knowledge. Sonia Poulton is maybe a little better, but I'm far from convinced that she's got the knowledge either. There were so many better people they could have approached.

For a demonstration of how the DIF likes to edit - and ban - people who refuse to be sycophants, read on.

The Experience of Micklemus

The People's Voice thread: "Where to we go now at over £103,163GBP"

This gets posted last month:

[Read Post 22 on that thread. I have a screen shot of it but can't seem to paste it into this post. All very sensible and mildly comedic stuff pointing out that it's difficult to see how TPV will generate much advertising revenue]

Ex Sheep replies sarcastically, proud as he or she is that Micklemus is an idiot and must eat his words -

Micklemus leaves it for a month and in light of the lack of developments on the advertising front - and of course the latest begging bowl routine with Joe Public - posts:

The post is rapidly deleted by Shattingcat (or whoever it is) who quickly imposes a 10 point "spamming" infraction and PMs -

Micklemus replies (angrily):

Response from Shattycat: another 10 points added and -

Micklemus doesn't reply, but no matter because:

Moral of this story: if you wish to remain on DIF, tow the party line and never, repeat NEVER, suggest that things might not all be sunshine and flowers in TPV world.

I was never a fan of his anyway, I've never seen him post anything insightful or even remotely constructive about anything. He used to post a lot of abject nonsense on the FMOTL forum, so I'm not sorry he's been banned at all. I hope he doesn't turn up here, I think he's a tit.

Not that I won't make him hugely welcome if he does, of course...

What about the Facebook page? Have any of you ever let rip on there about what you think of TPV?

that is the way of the dif micklar - all one happy family until someone says something that might break the koolaid stupor

Nothing unreasonable in those posts nor were they there to 'stir' or be negative - it was an opinion based on information supplied by tpv

I have seen it questioned on this thread why the icke tpv forum subsection is so quiet and where the outrage is - the outrage is banned - people are being scared into submissions - worried about losing their account because they dared to say something that is not along the lines of 'I have sent my kids out to wash cars so that they can donate what they make to tpv each month - keep going david all this negativity means you are hitting a nerve - tpv is so excellent I have not been able to stop watching - infact I have switched to tena lady pull ups so that my viewing is not interupted by pesky toilet breaks. I have sold a kidney and so has the wife tpv MUST stay on air!!!!'

thoreau wrote:
Spot on Thoreau, I agree entirely

Are you micklemus in disguise? You do have the same names.

thoreau wrote:
So gmp works for the Co-op now? He truly is a man for all seasons

Interesting that gmp doesn't get banned. But then again, he doesnt blame TPV for thier failures to gain advertisers, he lays the blame squarely on the shoulders of DIF users instead. Ok there are some pretty cooky people on there with some cooky ideas, but wasn't that always encouraged? David has some pretty cooky ideas himself and I thought it was a forum to explore the wierd, the wonderful and plain nutty.

I think this has been the plan behind the bannings and lack of communication from TPV towards DIF all along. They never wanted TPV to be in any way asscociated with DIF. Once TPV started, DIF must have suddenly become a huge embarasment to them. In fact if I recall correctly they didn't want to have a TPV subforum, but were reluctantly forced into it in the end by the flood of posts about TPV in General and requests for a subforum. David and TPV admin will always divert blame for thier failings onto anyone but themselves, so in essence gmp IS towing the party line here.

Maybe gmp had been tasked to do this, while simultaniously giving the illusion of free speech as its become blatently obvious that you risk your DIF account by posting anything but the party line in the TPV subforum. Even the staunchly enthusiastic ones such as elshaper are much more muted these days. You have only gotta browse a few of the larger threads in there from the earliest posts onwards to see the staggering number of banned, inactivated and suspended posters. It's embarrasing.

You are now a freeman-on-the-land.

Those are the people to talk to then if you can. Ask them why they are quiet and not as active as they used to be. Try something in the main news section even where all the action is and openly ask about all the bannings and failures of TPV and what's wrong with you all? Do you not all support TPV and David Icke? Make them think lol.


And good old postmanjimjim. I wonder if he still works extra shifts to donate an extra £20 per week.

crazybeats wrote:
Erm... I think you will find that the great majority on here are banned, or in my case made inactive. I can browse as a guest but nothing else.
We have been silenced - forced out in the .

Nice and warm here though

I mean the ones there that maybe don't know about here but are not talking as much or questioning as much as they did.

Ok sorry - I misunderstood you.