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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 16 Feb 2014 19:13 #521

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Space Bandit wrote:
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It's actually more about the registering of slaves & how it bears great similarity to the registering of chattel slaves.

What is the difference between a slave and a chattel slave?
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 16 Feb 2014 19:17 #522

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If rationing means a car whenever I want, a boat whenever I want, flights whenever, as much food I can eat of all varieties on the planet without additives and shit in it, proper healthcare, open source education and whatever jobs I want then fucking bring it on tbh!
Its only the uber rich who live in castles and drive ferraris who would see it as rationing.
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Barnfish wrote:
Space Bandit wrote:
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It's actually more about the registering of slaves & how it bears great similarity to the registering of chattel slaves.

What is the difference between a slave and a chattel slave?

Chattel is movable/transferable. So it would assume govt participation/approval and certification.
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Chattel really just means property.

Nowadays slaves are more likely to be bound by conditions rather than ownership.
Make sense?
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 16 Feb 2014 19:24 #525

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Chattel is derived from the word cattle, and refers to personal property.

"Chattel marriage refers to a form of marriage in which the husband owned his wife, and any children of their union, in a legal relationship similar to that of slavery." :mad:
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 16 Feb 2014 19:28 #526

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feather wrote:
Chattel really just means property.

Nowadays slaves are more likely to be bound by conditions rather than ownership.
Make sense?

Wage chattel would make more sense than wage slave. It would refer to a job which binds the person to the work in such a way they are very restricted in their freedom. That would go from kids making footballs for 10 hours a day with no rights to people who work for diamond mines and have to live in company houses and buy from the company shop. I do not see examples of a wage chattel in the UK. I am certainly not one.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 16 Feb 2014 20:01 #527

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Barnfish wrote:
feather wrote:
Chattel really just means property.

Nowadays slaves are more likely to be bound by conditions rather than ownership.
Make sense?

Wage chattel would make more sense than wage slave. It would refer to a job which binds the person to the work in such a way they are very restricted in their freedom. That would go from kids making footballs for 10 hours a day with no rights to people who work for diamond mines and have to live in company houses and buy from the company shop. I do not see examples of a wage chattel in the UK. I am certainly not one.

If you can afford to buy a nice 6 bedroom farmhouse in cash and a few dozen hectares of land along with it and only work 20 hours a week at most then I'd say its not too bad.

If on the other hand you earn 30k or so for 40 hours a week of dredgery and have to support a family with it, struggle to pay bills need working tax credits to make ends meet and end up in debt then thats not the case.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 16 Feb 2014 20:08 #528

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andyh wrote:
Barnfish wrote:
feather wrote:
Chattel really just means property.

Nowadays slaves are more likely to be bound by conditions rather than ownership.
Make sense?

Wage chattel would make more sense than wage slave. It would refer to a job which binds the person to the work in such a way they are very restricted in their freedom. That would go from kids making footballs for 10 hours a day with no rights to people who work for diamond mines and have to live in company houses and buy from the company shop. I do not see examples of a wage chattel in the UK. I am certainly not one.

If you can afford to buy a nice 6 bedroom farmhouse in cash and a few dozen hectares of land along with it and only work 20 hours a week at most then I'd say its not too bad.

If on the other hand you earn 30k or so for 40 hours a week of dredgery and have to support a family with it, struggle to pay bills need working tax credits to make ends meet and end up in debt then thats not the case.

What about those who have the nice farmhouse etc, but to get that put in 60 hour weeks, have eye watering debts and hate their job? What about people on £25k who have a family and are not that materialistic so have no debt and love their job?

So far a wage slave appears to be someone who hates their job or working in general, but they are greedy for things and so keep doing it.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 16 Feb 2014 20:21 #529

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I'm glad we've got that sorted, then... :chuckle:
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 16 Feb 2014 21:01 #530

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Barnfish wrote:
andyh wrote:
Barnfish wrote:
feather wrote:
Chattel really just means property.

Nowadays slaves are more likely to be bound by conditions rather than ownership.
Make sense?

Wage chattel would make more sense than wage slave. It would refer to a job which binds the person to the work in such a way they are very restricted in their freedom. That would go from kids making footballs for 10 hours a day with no rights to people who work for diamond mines and have to live in company houses and buy from the company shop. I do not see examples of a wage chattel in the UK. I am certainly not one.

If you can afford to buy a nice 6 bedroom farmhouse in cash and a few dozen hectares of land along with it and only work 20 hours a week at most then I'd say its not too bad.

If on the other hand you earn 30k or so for 40 hours a week of dredgery and have to support a family with it, struggle to pay bills need working tax credits to make ends meet and end up in debt then thats not the case.

What about those who have the nice farmhouse etc, but to get that put in 60 hour weeks, have eye watering debts and hate their job? What about people on £25k who have a family and are not that materialistic so have no debt and love their job?

So far a wage slave appears to be someone who hates their job or working in general, but they are greedy for things and so keep doing it.

Someone who gets paid f-all for shitloads of miserable effort. (basically just about everyone bar a tiny few)
Got there in the end by the looks Abs.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 16 Feb 2014 21:53 #531

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Space Bandit wrote:
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G'day Barnfish.

Do you have a birth certificate?

You know, with your name on it.

Did you choose the name?

Or is it a "given" name?

Not yours huh, you were 'branded' with it.

Can you have it changed at any moment of your choosing, or are you stuck with it unless you 'apply' (read beg) for permission to change it?

So, you don't even have your own name/label, you have a slaves name, a 'given' name ... but you have a 'wage'. :roll:

Now, it appears that you are stating that your points have no emphasis on their own and require "hyperbole" to provide the emphasis that they lack. Which actually shows that you recognise the lack of emphasis of your points. Thank you for admitting to that. :thumbup:

I am a slave because my parents chose my name :killinme:

Hyperbole means I have no emphasis :killinme:

It's actually more about the registering of slaves & how it bears great similarity to the registering of chattel slaves.

G'day Space Bandit.

The 'owners' need to differentiate between 'your' slave and 'my' slave, which the labeling, the 'given' name, is applied like a brand so as to make the differentiation. Once named, if you wander out of the paddock they will know which paddock to send you back to.

The correlation with the branding of animals is so obvious that it is surprising that some deny it when it is pointed out.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 16 Feb 2014 22:01 #532

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Even innovation is screwed if its only ever intended to be for profit.
Isn't it also slavery if humanity is kept in check and technological progress dictated by a few for a few instead of being left to develop naturally?

Case in point, Tesla, Thorium power, Geothermal and so on.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 16 Feb 2014 22:43 #533

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Are those here talking about the slave and the master slaves, or masters?
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Zara_T wrote:
Are those here talking about the slave and the master slaves, or masters?

The master slave masters.

Probably.

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Zara_T wrote:
Are those here talking about the slave and the master slaves, or masters?

Its a fair statement to make that the rich are in a way slaves to their own system.

The thread is really about the socio-economic system as a whole so all aspects basically.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 16 Feb 2014 23:00 #536

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andyh wrote:
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Are those here talking about the slave and the master slaves, or masters?

Its a fair statement to make that the rich are in a way slaves to their own system.

The thread is really about the socio-economic system as a whole so all aspects basically.
Are you a slave or a master?
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 16 Feb 2014 23:15 #537

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I AM ALL I AM wrote:
Space Bandit wrote:
Barnfish wrote:
I AM ALL I AM wrote:
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G'day Barnfish.

Do you have a birth certificate?

You know, with your name on it.

Did you choose the name?

Or is it a "given" name?

Not yours huh, you were 'branded' with it.

Can you have it changed at any moment of your choosing, or are you stuck with it unless you 'apply' (read beg) for permission to change it?

So, you don't even have your own name/label, you have a slaves name, a 'given' name ... but you have a 'wage'. :roll:

Now, it appears that you are stating that your points have no emphasis on their own and require "hyperbole" to provide the emphasis that they lack. Which actually shows that you recognise the lack of emphasis of your points. Thank you for admitting to that. :thumbup:

I am a slave because my parents chose my name :killinme:

Hyperbole means I have no emphasis :killinme:

It's actually more about the registering of slaves & how it bears great similarity to the registering of chattel slaves.

G'day Space Bandit.

The 'owners' need to differentiate between 'your' slave and 'my' slave, which the labeling, the 'given' name, is applied like a brand so as to make the differentiation. Once named, if you wander out of the paddock they will know which paddock to send you back to.

The correlation with the branding of animals is so obvious that it is surprising that some deny it when it is pointed out.

Agreed.
A Review of the Colonial Registration Acts

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“It will be enough for your satisfaction, that your suggestions have certainly given birth to the colonial Registries of Slaves; in other words, to the only system that can effectually and permanently exclude the Slave Trade from the British Colonies, and thereby lay a sure foundation for humane improvements in the exercise of the master's power, and in the general condition of the Slave Population.”

but wasn't slavery supposed to have been abolished??

Quote:
"The difficulties would not even end here. But without any further enumeration of them, it will be manifest that either the main pillar of the system must be plucked away, and its whole executory principle renounced, by absolving planters from the necessity of shewing to future purchasers and mortgagees a registered title to their Slaves; or else this single defect must be to them an intolerable evil, as producing a virtual incapacity to alienate their property, or raise money on their estates."

registered title, purchasers, mortgages, property, raise money … commerce and banking seem to be the primary focus on a practice – slavery – which is supposedly abolished??
Quote:

“ … if it be considered that so long as the importation of Slaves from one British colony into another shall be permitted by law, it will be necessary to allow a certified registration in one island as a sufficient title to registration
in any other, to which the Slave may be sent with a regular customhouse
clearance.
Such were the provisions of the Parliamentary Register Bill; and the Colonial Acts of course are not less indulgent to proprietors of Slaves.
It follows, therefore, that if the Registry of a single island is so corruptly or negligently managed, as to admit with facility the introduction of smuggled Negroes from Africa, or from the foreign colonies, they may be transferred

think of; passports, visas, arrival/entry cards and registration upon arrival with Internal Affairs
of the receiving country.
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also consider that passports used to be a document only used during wartime. Since WWII this was 'forgotten' and they have now become a permanent fixture. Why?
The emergence of the United Nations, which was the emergence of the 'global plantation';
the evolution of 'lawful slavery' from independent nations to member nations of a global empire.

university.ucadia.info/e107_f...very_Ver_2.pdf

All the evidence is there. If people don't want to acknowledge it it's just cognitive dissonance.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 16 Feb 2014 23:19 #538

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Zara_T wrote:
andyh wrote:
Zara_T wrote:
Are those here talking about the slave and the master slaves, or masters?

Its a fair statement to make that the rich are in a way slaves to their own system.

The thread is really about the socio-economic system as a whole so all aspects basically.
Are you a slave or a master?

Prisoner slave for sure. Just one who can see the bars is all.
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I do agree that cash is but a symptom of our real malaise. But it is intrinsic to that malaise. It perpetuates a vast amount of it by amplifying certain negative traits that have been allowed/encouraged to became endemic in humanity. To me, that isn't a matter of question. It's self evident.

This particular symptom is such a problem that it feeds back into the disease and makes it more virulent. Our education systems and media are fully aligned with it and preach it as an absolute. It is little wonder that so few sit there and go, hang on, this 'symptom' is just an idea. It is not a universal law. We are presented with cash as a fait accomplit.

Spot on.
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Exactly what I've been saying but more succinct.

There's little point in saying 'cash could do this' 'cash could be that' ....ultimately it's failed & it's time to start looking at alternatives.
Money is inequality. As long as there is inequality it will perpetuate poor behaviour & continue to bring lower quality humans into the world & therefore end up in this negative spiral.
It cannot be argued that money could ever equal equality otherwise it needn't exist. :D
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Barnfish wrote:
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Chattel really just means property.

Nowadays slaves are more likely to be bound by conditions rather than ownership.
Make sense?

Wage chattel would make more sense than wage slave. It would refer to a job which binds the person to the work in such a way they are very restricted in their freedom. That would go from kids making footballs for 10 hours a day with no rights to people who work for diamond mines and have to live in company houses and buy from the company shop. I do not see examples of a wage chattel in the UK. I am certainly not one.

Chattel slaves had free time .... did that make them free?
The idea was in the subterfuge of redefining slavery to make people think that they weren't slaves. Give them certain "freedoms".....
(registered title, purchasers, mortgages, property)
It worked!
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It's all entwined with the old religious notion that people need be controlled otherwise they'll run amok.
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