Space Bandit wrote:
G'day Space Bandit.

I had a mental flash of Darth Vader saying, "The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one."

Barnfish wrote:
They're slaves irregardless of how they or you feel about it, or how well/poorly individuals feel about it.
The more they/you think it's ok, the less can be done about the overall situation. Wahey to go...

If you think that a wage slave here is living acceptably compared to chattel slavery, look at the forms of slavery a monetary paradigm perpetuates such as child labour and sweatshops in order for people here to think they don't live in slave conditions.
It's completely immoral & totally out of date.

andyh wrote:
Have you considered that you feeling enslaved by the present system is a reflection of you rather than the system?

Space Bandit wrote:
What about people on £25k who have a family and are not that materialistic so have no debt and love their job? Wage slave or not?

Barnfish wrote:
Not really, no

Barnfish wrote:
If they are in brazil and earning £25k then that situation would fit.

andyh wrote:
Why not? You are unable to pin down exactly what counts as a supposed wage slave. You have even accepted that the rich can be wage slaves. So we are all slaves, which removes all meaning to the word slave and equates well off, free and happy people with actual slaves.

Barnfish wrote:
There is denial and then Ian Duncan Smith levels of denial.
You're well into the latter territory and now look like an idiot.

Next up you'll be whining about doleys and immigrants and approving of eugenics.

andyh wrote:
You are in a prison of your own making, caused by an inability to get a half decent job, enjoy life and the significant freedoms we have in the UK. You should break out, get yourself a job you regard as worthwhile and fulfilling, some good friends and do what you want to do.

Barnfish wrote:
Its called engineered situation by design.
Salaries are set by the market quite deliberately at the levels they are because of action after action by the big boys very early on and they are just building on it now.
Small biz is fucked, either broke or bought up by larger business and that trend will do nothing but continue, there is nothing to stop it now.

www.independent.co.uk/property/six-out-o...ortgage-8841381.html

www.mirror.co.uk/money/personal-finance/...ings-racking-2870104

I could go on and on ofc, but tory boy barnfish here thinks its their own fault.
Spare us the crap.

"should" eh....

andyh wrote:
There is a joint fault between individuals, the banks and the government that has caused this (from your links)

"A YouGov poll commissioned by Shelter suggests that six in ten working families are already struggling or falling behind with their rent or mortgage. Previous research from the charity indicated that over a third of workers would be unable to pay their rent or mortgage for more than a month if they lost their job."

and this

"Millions of struggling ­families can only afford to eat by dipping into savings or racking up credit card debts.One in five households say their budget failed to cover food and other household bills last month.

I feel sorry for you if you are one of those individuals who gorged in the debt trough and have saddled yourself with big problems. But you are in part to blame. I can see how you feel enslaved as you are possibly teetering on the edge or are possibly fucked.

Those of us who were not greedy and were sceptical of the banks and government behaviour during the boom are fine. That leaves me free to do what I want, when I want to. I am not a slave to the system, I beat it.

dubmeup wrote:
Maybe he cannot, maybe he enslaved himself and is now pissed off he fell for the bankers and government crap. Sold your soul to the devil.

Is small business fucked?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-26171214

"The number of new businesses registered with Companies House rose to 30,263 last year, a 19% increase on the 2012 figure of 25,500.
The statistics were collated by the Federation of Small Businesses (FSB) in Scotland. The Scottish government has estimated that more than 340,000 businesses were operating in Scotland last year. That was the highest since records began, it said."

Barnfish wrote:
a) I'm not in debt
b) You obviously do not care about the situation in general as exemplified by the above tory boy statement.

Barnfish wrote:
Anyone can register a business, it costs like £30, I'm sooo impressed.

andyh wrote:
a) I'm not in debt
b) You obviously do not care about the situation in general as exemplified by the above tory boy statement.[/quote]

A - so your slavery is in your head.

B - liar, see bold above. Some people were duped by the banks, especially when they thought it was OK to lie about how much they earn to get a mortgage. But any reasonable person should have realised that was going to come back and bite them. There were many millions who did not go bonkers during the boom. I feel even more sorry for them as they have seen savings rates decline to virtually nothing, their pensions raided, wages reduced and services cut.

Barnfish wrote: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070644...r-records-began.html

www.forbes.com/sites/ericwagner/2013/09/...-10-businesses-fail/

andyh wrote:
There are more businesses operating than ever before in Scotland. I am impressed. It also casts doubt on your claim that "Small biz is fucked, either broke or bought up by larger business and that trend will do nothing but continue, there is nothing to stop it now."

You are a doom monger, suffering from enslavement delusions.

He doesn't care, its their own fault