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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 17 Feb 2014 16:01 #581

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The only contribution you have made so far makes you sound like IDS.
I've heard this Rand bollocks for donkeys years, it was shit then and its even more shit now.
The monetary system is flawed, half the global GDP is offshore untaxed, corporations get away with blue murder and cornering the market and here you are saying 'gerra job' its fucking hilarious!

You are just as bad at insults as you are at evidencing. :killinme:

I'm not the one who thinks there's a 'recovery' while world debt stands at 57 and a half trillion and rising every second.
www.nationaldebtclocks.org/


'gerra job'...lol.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 17 Feb 2014 16:47 #582

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andyh wrote:
Barnfish wrote:
andyh wrote:
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The only contribution you have made so far makes you sound like IDS.
I've heard this Rand bollocks for donkeys years, it was shit then and its even more shit now.
The monetary system is flawed, half the global GDP is offshore untaxed, corporations get away with blue murder and cornering the market and here you are saying 'gerra job' its fucking hilarious!

You are just as bad at insults as you are at evidencing. :killinme:

I'm not the one who thinks there's a 'recovery' while world debt stands at 57 and a half trillion and rising every second.
www.nationaldebtclocks.org/


'gerra job'...lol.

You are also a terrible liar. :killinme:
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 17 Feb 2014 16:47 #583

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Barnfish wrote:
Do you accept that there is a recovery, all be it slow and bumpy?
No. Britain is in a considerably worse financial position than it was five years ago, so is all of the Eurozone, so is the United States, so is the 'global economy', so are the general public of virtually every nation on the planet, and certainly Britain.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 17 Feb 2014 16:52 #584

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
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Do you accept that there is a recovery, all be it slow and bumpy?
No. Britain is in a considerably worse financial position than it was five years ago, so is all of the Eurozone, so is the United States, so is the 'global economy', so are the general public of virtually every nation on the planet, and certainly Britain.

Evidence? Or are you sticking to demanding I read all your past posts?
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 17 Feb 2014 16:57 #585

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Barnfish wrote:
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Barnfish wrote:
Do you accept that there is a recovery, all be it slow and bumpy?
No. Britain is in a considerably worse financial position than it was five years ago, so is all of the Eurozone, so is the United States, so is the 'global economy', so are the general public of virtually every nation on the planet, and certainly Britain.

Evidence? Or are you sticking to demanding I read all your past posts?

www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/unitedkingdom

www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/unitedstates

^Theres your 'recovery', now go back to sleep.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 17 Feb 2014 16:58 #586

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Barnfish wrote:
Evidence? Or are you sticking to demanding I read all your past posts?
Not 'demanding'! Suggesting. If you want to understand things, you have to invest time in them. If you don't then don't bother. No skin off my nose one way or another, mate.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 17 Feb 2014 17:36 #587

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andyh wrote:
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Are those here talking about the slave and the master slaves, or masters?

Its a fair statement to make that the rich are in a way slaves to their own system.

The thread is really about the socio-economic system as a whole so all aspects basically.
Are you a slave or a master?

Prisoner slave for sure. Just one who can see the bars is all.
I don't think you really believe that, do you have friends and family?
I don't think they believe that about you either.

The only thing that implies to me you are a slave is that you think so :think:
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 17 Feb 2014 18:02 #588

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Zara_T wrote:
andyh wrote:
Zara_T wrote:
andyh wrote:
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Are those here talking about the slave and the master slaves, or masters?

Its a fair statement to make that the rich are in a way slaves to their own system.

The thread is really about the socio-economic system as a whole so all aspects basically.
Are you a slave or a master?

Prisoner slave for sure. Just one who can see the bars is all.
I don't think you really believe that, do you have friends and family?
I don't think they believe that about you either.

The only thing that implies to me you are a slave is that you think so :think:

I don't care what you think.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 17 Feb 2014 18:28 #589

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andyh wrote:
Barnfish wrote:
wake_up_bomb wrote:
Barnfish wrote:
Do you accept that there is a recovery, all be it slow and bumpy?
No. Britain is in a considerably worse financial position than it was five years ago, so is all of the Eurozone, so is the United States, so is the 'global economy', so are the general public of virtually every nation on the planet, and certainly Britain.

Evidence? Or are you sticking to demanding I read all your past posts?

www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/unitedkingdom

www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/unitedstates

^Theres your 'recovery', now go back to sleep.

So your evidence is there is no recovery as debt is increasing, is that it?
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 17 Feb 2014 18:29 #590

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wake_up_bomb wrote:
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Evidence? Or are you sticking to demanding I read all your past posts?
Not 'demanding'! Suggesting. If you want to understand things, you have to invest time in them. If you don't then don't bother. No skin off my nose one way or another, mate.

So no evidence then, just a request to read your posts and understand (by which you actually mean agree) with them. :rofl:
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 17 Feb 2014 19:42 #591

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So freedom = work.
Is it possible for everybody to get a job they enjoy? Is it possible for everybody to get a job?

We do live in one of the freest societies in the world but stupidly it's been fixed so we are not free at all.
Ultimately we end up paying for all the shit that goes down.... wars, banking shambles etc. How can somebody else telling you what you've got to pay for in those terms equate freedom and not slavery?

Your cognitive dissonance is terrible. We live in "one of the freest societies" "we are not free at all" :roll:

I am pissed off at the crap I have had to pay for, wars, banking shambles etc. as well. But that has not enslaved me. It may have enslaved you, but that is your problem.

My cognitive dissonance is terrible....... while you come out with nazi crap. Arbeit macht frei. :notworthy: Bow down to your master.

It's actually nowhere near cognitive dissonance anyway. We do live in one of the freest parts of the world by comparison.
That still doesn't mean we are free, or that the system doesn't limit our freedoms considerably more than necessary to facilitate itself.
It's irrelevant whether you consider yourself a slave or not. It makes the system function a lot easier if people are happy about it.
You HAVE been enslaved by having to pay for stuff like wars & the banks gambling money away. Unless of course you work for free.
Your labour is being turned into something presumably which you do not want.
Cognitive dissonance..... defend defend defend clutch grasp.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 17 Feb 2014 19:45 #592

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Barnfish wrote:
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It's actually more about the registering of slaves & how it bears great similarity to the registering of chattel slaves.

What is the difference between a slave and a chattel slave?

Wage slaves are a modernised version of a chattel slave.

Which applies to those who have to do a job they hate for an excessive working week and cannot afford to stop because of the debt they are in. Those who are not in that position are not any form of slave.

If people are in a position not to require a wage to live then no they are not wage slaves.
Simple innit?
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 17 Feb 2014 19:52 #593

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Mankind has been enslaved for thousands of years.

Being "awake" is simply jumping from the sheeple net into another net, be it new-age, conspiracy theories, spirituality etc etc

Talking about banking, politics, Freeman-crap, 9-11 et al......side-shows to entertain the ex-sheep.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 17 Feb 2014 20:04 #594

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My cognitive dissonance is terrible....... while you come out with nazi crap. Arbeit macht frei. :notworthy: Bow down to your master.

It's actually nowhere near cognitive dissonance anyway. We do live in one of the freest parts of the world by comparison.
That still doesn't mean we are free, or that the system doesn't limit our freedoms considerably more than necessary to facilitate itself.
It's irrelevant whether you consider yourself a slave or not. It makes the system function a lot easier if people are happy about it.
You HAVE been enslaved by having to pay for stuff like wars & the banks gambling money away. Unless of course you work for free.
Your labour is being turned into something presumably which you do not want.
Cognitive dissonance..... defend defend defend clutch grasp.

It was not me that came up with the Nazi crap. Work does not set you free, that is a load of bollocks. I work because I want to, my choice.

As for your cognitive dissonance, it is there arguing we are free but not free. Your argument would make more sense if you accepted there are degrees of freedom, from slave all the way to those who live a free life in a free country.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 17 Feb 2014 20:08 #595

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Space Bandit wrote:
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If people are in a position not to require a wage to live then no they are not wage slaves.
Simple innit?

So the rich who can live off trust funds and the poor who can live off benefits are free, the rest of us who work are not free. I find both the idle rich and poor to be boring, vacuous and sad. Their empty lives do nothing for the rest of us and often they are found to be addicts, work shy and of low intelligence.
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 17 Feb 2014 20:55 #596

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Barnfish wrote:

It was not me that came up with the Nazi crap. Work does not set you free, that is a load of bollocks. I work because I want to, my choice.

But you said...
You are in a prison of your own making, caused by an inability to get a half decent job, enjoy life and the significant freedoms we have in the UK. You should break out, get yourself a job you regard as worthwhile and fulfilling, some good friends and do what you want to do.

Implying that getting a job = freedom.
As for your cognitive dissonance, it is there arguing we are free but not free. Your argument would make more sense if you accepted there are degrees of freedom, from slave all the way to those who live a free life in a free country.

But you didn't manage to recognise where I said by comparison? :down:
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 17 Feb 2014 21:02 #597

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Barnfish wrote:
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If people are in a position not to require a wage to live then no they are not wage slaves.
Simple innit?

So the rich who can live off trust funds and the poor who can live off benefits are free, the rest of us who work are not free. I find both the idle rich and poor to be boring, vacuous and sad. Their empty lives do nothing for the rest of us and often they are found to be addicts, work shy and of low intelligence.

Benefits could also be viewed as a wage it's just defined differently. Jump through the hoops or no benefits.
It is a reliance on the fact that money must keep coming in to sustain yourself.
I'm not interested in your misanthropic sweeping generalisations of the rich or poor, or those people with addictions. (a type of illness)
It gives a good indication of your character, however.

Do you want to go over why addictions are so prevalent in society or can you simply see that it is another losing argument for the money system straight away?
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No-one should ever work! Fuck work! 17 Feb 2014 21:04 #598

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I find the term slave in this context damn demeaning to those who actually exist in absolute daily hell under genuine slave conditions.
It's typical first world, poor fucking me, hyperbole.

If you don't want to work, don't.

ETA
Remember to also refuse that dole cheque or college grant that commits someone else to extra 'slavery' to provide for you as well.
Because that would be the principled thing to do innit.
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I find the term slave in this context damn demeaning to those who actually exist in absolute daily hell under genuine slave conditions.
It's typical first world, poor fucking me, hyperbole.

If you don't want to work, don't.

But saying it's not slavery because worse forms of it have/do exist isn't logical.
It's nothing to do with whether you want to work within it or not.... most people have little choice. Having such a lack of choice can't be considered freedom.

I didn't coin the term 'wage slave'. Neither did I say all that stuff about the populace being slaves in parliament which is obviously how they consider us.
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Space Bandit wrote:
Barnfish wrote:

It was not me that came up with the Nazi crap. Work does not set you free, that is a load of bollocks. I work because I want to, my choice.

But you said...
You are in a prison of your own making, caused by an inability to get a half decent job, enjoy life and the significant freedoms we have in the UK. You should break out, get yourself a job you regard as worthwhile and fulfilling, some good friends and do what you want to do.

Implying that getting a job = freedom.
As for your cognitive dissonance, it is there arguing we are free but not free. Your argument would make more sense if you accepted there are degrees of freedom, from slave all the way to those who live a free life in a free country.

But you didn't manage to recognise where I said by comparison? :down:

So, do you accept that work does not equal freedom and freedom comes in degrees?
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