Barnfish wrote:
Yep, instead of having tax have no benefit and increased wages.

'Between 1997/98 and 2010/11 benefit and tax credit spending in Great Britain
increased from £122 billion to £197 billion, in 2012/13 prices.
 This represents a real increase of £75 billion, or 62 per cent over the whole
period. '

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/upl...credits_spending.pdf

You'll not find the difference coming from corporation tax because corporation tax is nothing like that kind of money, it comes from the PAYE income tax which is vastly bigger.

www.theguardian.com/business/marketforce...holder-payout-avanti

^Vodafone for example pays sod all tax compared to what they have coming in. Their own rules about business taxation allow for this to happen legally.

There is no sliding scale of taxation taking into account both income and assets. It is possible to accumulate vast assets in terms of land and pay very little tax on it, this is how you avoid taxation. Then of course theres offshore.
A legal 'person' has more monetary rights under law than a human being. The most privileged person of all is the corporation sole entity, religions, 'crown', sec state etc.

Once again, there is 32 trillion sat offshore, it is 50% of the entire global GDP, its money like this that buys politicians, it is inherently corrupt by design, the entire system is flawed to fuck.

The only way to address it will involve violence and even then it would have to be carefully directed violence.

andyh wrote:

An image of a James Bond type raid on the Caymen Islands just flashed past me

jhado wrote:
Well that might give you the names.

andyh wrote:
Then what?

jhado wrote:
Directed violence.

So Barnfish, we were thinking of getting a few heads together for a raid.... are you in or out?


I suppose this system will eventually destroy itself and maybe everything else in the process. Ho hum.

Barnfish wrote:
Well this is what it boils down to.
They are willing to kill for what they want, we're not. That's why we're in the situation we are and it's why we've always been in this situation.
Psychopaths see us as weak and in many respects they're quite right.
Our entire society praises 'might is right', you can see it everywhere from politics to religion.
Modern society just tries to hide it and treat us with kid gloves but its there alright, lurking in the dark.

Space Bandit wrote:
Or maybe there are simple, clever, constructive ways to fight back.

andyh wrote:
Do sleep with the lights on? Just in case the boogeyman comes to get you?

Barnfish wrote:
The dark refers to blind spots in human thinking. Places we don't want to go or acknowledge.
Instead we try to choose to see the lovey duffy fluffy bunny side in everything which is quite pathetic tbh. A bit like expecting politicians to change their ways or bankers by putting trifling digits in different types of bank accounts.

andyh wrote:
Do you think they will change because you and a few other anarcho-syndicalists threaten violence?

Barnfish wrote:
Anarcho-syndicalists are not threatening violence from what I can see.
Strange post....

andyh wrote:

Indeed.

Barnfish wrote:
Disengaging with the system perhaps.... living without money.

andyh wrote:
Did you forget a few posts back you said "The only way to address it will involve violence and even then it would have to be carefully directed violence."? My response to that is your appeal to violence will do nothing to deter the government and bankers. If anything it will be counter productive as they close ranks and suppress.

Space Bandit wrote:
Not an easy one to convince people to do.

Barnfish wrote:
They already have closed ranks and suppressed all sorts of stuff. The gov bailed the bankers out remember? They walked away from LIBOR remember?
Whats this got to do with anarcho-syndicalism?
Or for that matter how the entire corporate tax take is less than tax credits?
Can you say sweeerrrve?

andyh wrote:
I am well aware of the bail out. I have been repeatedly pointing out that the best part of the financial sector was the regulated part which needed no bail out and does not rip people off. As for walking away from LIBOR

uk.reuters.com/article/2014/02/17/uk-bar...dUKBREA1G0LD20140217 - three bankers charged
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25386779 - LIBOR fines go to charity, £35million and rising.

You previously said "Both anarcho-syndicalism and TVP is an example of people working together to achieve something." Anarchists are revolutionaries, so working together often means violence, which you propose.

Please show your figures to back up the claim about all corporate tax is less that tax credits.

Barnfish wrote:
3 managers = pathetic considering they swindled trillions those banks should have been closed and dozens at the top in jail immediately.
As for figures they're already in the post further up linking the DWP as you mentioned yourself Corp tax take is 49 billion which is less than 197billion.

How does working together mean violence btw? Are you a neocon ?